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    Quote Originally Posted by EdenElsewhere View Post
    And people who hate current summoner are more of a loud minority...
    I'm sorry but as someone who have played the game since 1.0, ARR, and HW, I have thoroughly enjoyed playing the old SMN and SCH. So, you including me to the minority who hated EW SMN (imo hate is an understatement, I despise it) is an insult.

    The problem was that they started the job as a pet class it should've stayed as such. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    I'm sorry but as someone who have played the game since 1.0, ARR, and HW, I have thoroughly enjoyed playing the old SMN and SCH. So, you including me to the minority who hated EW SMN (imo hate is an understatement, I despise it) is an insult.

    The problem was that they started the job as a pet class it should've stayed as such. Thanks.
    and many people who have played SMN before the rework also love it.

    I hated Summoner before the rework. Something was always floating. There wasn't an identity. You were failing at the class if you didn't have your three dots up during burst.

    That's another thing as well. You skipped bahamut trance during burst, which is where a lot of it's utility lies (I loved using Bahamut trance to rez people).

    As a smn/sch main as well, I liked old smn, but I love new smn and at least I can take into savage and feel comfy with it. And I have talked to a lot of my smn friends, and even those who liked the old version also enjoy the new version.

    Happy people are quiet. Not to mention, the forums are a loud circle of self indulging misery. Yeah, I would consider people who hate new smn a loud minority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdenElsewhere View Post
    and many people who have played SMN before the rework also love it.

    I hated Summoner before the rework. Something was always floating. There wasn't an identity. You were failing at the class if you didn't have your three dots up during burst.

    That's another thing as well. You skipped bahamut trance during burst, which is where a lot of it's utility lies (I loved using Bahamut trance to rez people).

    As a smn/sch main as well, I liked old smn, but I love new smn and at least I can take into savage and feel comfy with it. And I have talked to a lot of my smn friends, and even those who liked the old version also enjoy the new version.

    Happy people are quiet. Not to mention, the forums are a loud circle of self indulging misery. Yeah, I would consider people who hate new smn a loud minority.
    goodd for you but to me, i find it very difficult to love it. I will still continue to fight for old SMN to come back.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE


    - Seraphism is BAD.
    - Give us back Shadowflare and make Deployment/Emergency Tactics affect Biolysis
    - Give us back Rouse
    - Make pet management rewarding.

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    just don't bring back the DoTs please. what scared me away from Arcanist pre-EW was the feeling that I was doing more DoTs than...actually commanding anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ancalagon_Blacktalon View Post
    just don't bring back the DoTs please. what scared me away from Arcanist pre-EW was the feeling that I was doing more DoTs than...actually commanding anything.
    and now smn command something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asari5 View Post
    and now smn command something?
    I would argue that just because the current way the class is now doesn't mean the original version of the class was fulfilling the "job fantasy" either. DoTs are like.....Green Mage stuff, why did we have that in our class ostensibly meant to order a pet around?
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    I don't mind dots to be trimmed for as long as I have a proper pet management. What drew me in to ACN is the pets. And while I will play BST, I will still want a mainline job to be represented. It started off as one.. It should build it up from there.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE


    - Seraphism is BAD.
    - Give us back Shadowflare and make Deployment/Emergency Tactics affect Biolysis
    - Give us back Rouse
    - Make pet management rewarding.

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    As someone whose Main was Hunter for the ten years I played World of Warcraft, I would like to point out that the pet management system in this game was double-plus ungood from the start. It is now in a much better place.

    In this game, pets were "extra DPS with major target/movement issues" that is, thankfully, no longer necessary.
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    Thereza Oseniah
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    I, too, was interested in ACN/SMN when I first started as because of the pet (how neat was it to be able to actually command something), but it simply doesn't exist anymore and more likely will be moved towards BST.
    ACN/SMN is more of flashy effect every summon, but it makes people happy so they can focus on things outside of gameplay during most content, or so I hear.

    It was a nice read though, always interesting in seeing what people come up with.
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    Don't you all think Pet Management will come back in some form with Beastmaster?
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