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    Quote Originally Posted by littlehobbit13 View Post
    Imagine thinking they should be expanding to region travel when they haven't even worked out the problems from their first attempt with DC travel.
    And pray tell, which oh-so-massive problems should they solve that can't be solved with region travel enabled, considering that *it already works* and doesn't need further implementation?

    Advocating for artificial borders splitting a MMORPG's community in 2024 is entirely anachronistic. This isn't 1999 (and it was a terrible idea even in 1999).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Oh yeah, being able to play with your friends anywhere they are without needing to make a new character is such a terrible thing

    Imagine thinking we should be confined to our datacenters and regions in 2024.
    Yeah it's definitely worth destroying every DC that isn't Aether just so you can pretend you have friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    Yeah it's definitely worth destroying every DC that isn't Aether just so you can pretend you have friends.
    Ah, the drama. Imagine thinking that removing artificial barriers that should have never existed and giving people options would "destroy every DC that isn't Aether." Do you have any more scaremongering to share with us today?

    I've had friends in this game since the beta of 1.0 on Mysidia and then all the way through 1.X on Gungnir, when you likely didn't even know FFXIV existed, and before Square Enix decided to make the extremely silly move of splitting regions with 2.0 and sending us all our separate ways. So much for "pretending."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Imagine thinking that removing artificial barriers that should have never existed and giving people options would "destroy every DC that isn't Aether." Do you have any more scaremongering to share with us today?
    Imagine saying imagine in every post because you can't imagine an original thought.

    Anyone not being deliberately obtuse can log into any DC that isn't "the raiding DC" of their region and see for themselves that PF is dead for everything that isn't ERP clubs. Doubly so for Dynamis which is dead entirely due to DC travel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    I've had friends
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    Last edited by CidHeiral; 03-17-2024 at 06:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littlehobbit13 View Post
    Imagine thinking they should be expanding to region travel when they haven't even worked out the problems from their first attempt with DC travel.
    Imagine that they can't do both, or the idea that in the end, they do things for what they plan.

    It's easy for us as consumers to give the obvious answer, or symptoms that lead to the hidden answer.

    Instead of shooting this down, we need to just push "Respectfully" harder on what we want.
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    Na i pass. Personal i dont need it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artorias View Post
    Na i pass. Personal i dont need it


    We have Coffee n Donuts!
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    The price of solving everything is everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    As for the differences in economy, that's absolutely irrelevant. There are plenty of differences in economy between data centers of the same region, and even between servers of the same data center. That did not discourage them from opening world travel and then data center travel, making that objection to cross-region travel simply an excuse.
    It's easy to say economic differences don't matter when you compare within the region, there's never been a massive difference in economy between DCs in a region.

    The problem is that prices on JP are about 5 times cheaper than NA/EU, opening the gates without addressing that issue would allow NA/EU players to buy out the JP market to make profit on their home world, which makes the game worse for players on JP while bringing zero benefit to them.

    Like it or not, that has to be addressed before cross region can be implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    It's easy to say economic differences don't matter when you compare within the region, there's never been a massive difference in economy between DCs in a region.

    The problem is that prices on JP are about 5 times cheaper than NA/EU, opening the gates without addressing that issue would allow NA/EU players to buy out the JP market to make profit on their home world, which makes the game worse for players on JP while bringing zero benefit to them.

    Like it or not, that has to be addressed before cross region can be implemented.
    Repeat with me:

    They. Are. Opening. Access. For. Everyone. To. The. Newest. Region.

    That 100% invalidates the economic concern and identifies it as an excuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abriael View Post
    Repeat with me:

    They. Are. Opening. Access. For. Everyone. To. The. Newest. Region.

    That 100% invalidates the economic concern and identifies it as an excuse.
    Not really because we have no guarantee that travel to the JP worlds from NA or EU will be allowed at some point in the future.

    For all we know, SE is only responding to player feedback pushing for something to be done to help Materia, which is OCE not JP. That data center has struggled since it was set up because the player population is so low and a lot of players that wanted it ended up transferring back to NA or EU. What happens with the economy there is a trivial concern compared to trying to improve the general game experience.

    To be honest, I tend to agree that it's far more than economic concerns holding things back. SE could have set things up so players couldn't purchase items on other worlds if they really wanted to. If that was all that was holding things back, we would have had cross region travel by now.

    I think the fear is the cultural differences disrupting things on the JP worlds if too many random NA and EU players went there. Their beliefs about what is socially acceptable behavior vary quite a bit from ours. JP players have been very resistant to cross region travel where most NA and EU players are fine with the idea.

    I'd be fine if JP wants to remain isolated and left out of cross region travel. Let the rest of us play together.
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