Do you know why the average pf player is so bad?

[Merrigan]

It's exactly what I described. With standard movement, the direction of your character is tied to the camera, so mouse movement controls the direction your character faces and therefore you have to move the mouse or slowly turn around, before you can begin running out of an AoE.

With legacy movement, the direction of your character is not tied to the camera, so if you press backwards, instead of slowly walking back, your character immediately turns around and runs out of the AoE. It makes the game significantly easier. It's such an advantage that it trivializes mechanics compared to standard.

I was helping some people with P10S recently and saw a few of them were struggling to avoid the chains and getting Doom. We explained about legacy and it transformed the game for them. Just an example.

(It's in Character Configuration, under Control Settings and General. I personally disable auto-fly/auto-dive)

But does it affect your dps? I mean, as a melee there are plenty of moments where you can get out while sticking to the mob; using movement as you describe it is a dead loss, compared to using the mouse (which I always keep down anyway, personally)?

And turning your character completely, if you need to get away from something very quickly, doesn't take "a second". It's immediate with camera movement + straff to the side.

... I swear, I'm not trying to be sarcastic, it's just that I don't understand the point of losing such a practical bind as the "s" (= backward on my keyboard) when you can simply hold down the right mouse button at any time to have better control .

[Jeeqbit]

But does it affect your dps?

If you die to a mechanic or get a damage down due to struggling to avoid mechanics, yes! Also means you can greed for longer because it takes less time to navigate out of an AoE.

I mean, as a melee there are plenty of moments where you can get out while sticking to the mob; using movement as you describe it is a dead loss, compared to using the mouse (which I always keep down anyway, personally)?

I don't personally agree. I used to do Savage in Heavensward with standard and I could do all the mechanics, but I was just barely achieving them all and it was very last moment stuff, very tense. It's comparatively braindead with legacy and not really tense at all.

And turning your character completely, if you need to get away from something very quickly, doesn't take "a second". It's immediate with camera movement + straff to the side.

Well it's good you found a workaround. Like I said, some people prefer it or find a way to make it work.

[Merrigan]

If you die to a mechanic or get a damage down due to struggling to avoid mechanics, yes! Also means you can greed for longer because it takes less time to navigate out of an AoE.

I don't personally agree. I used to do Savage in Heavensward with standard and I could do all the mechanics, but I was just barely achieving them all and it was very last moment stuff, very tense. It's comparatively braindead with legacy and not really tense at all.

Well it's good you found a workaround. Like I said, some people prefer it or find a way to make it work.

I honestly don't see how you can struggle to avoid mecanics with the straffing method (< this is not ironic, once again), but indeed : if it works for you, then it's better to do it this way.

[CidHeiral]

If you die to a mechanic or get a damage down due to struggling to avoid mechanics, yes! Also means you can greed for longer because it takes less time to navigate out of an AoE.

I don't personally agree. I used to do Savage in Heavensward with standard and I could do all the mechanics, but I was just barely achieving them all and it was very last moment stuff, very tense. It's comparatively braindead with legacy and not really tense at all.

Well it's good you found a workaround. Like I said, some people prefer it or find a way to make it work.

I've used the standard control scheme in MMOs for 20+ years, including various high end content, and have never had a single issue. It's absurd to write off the entire control scheme as inferior just because you personally struggled with it.

[Jeeqbit]

I've used the standard control scheme in MMOs for 20+ years, including various high end content, and have never had a single issue. It's absurd to write off the entire control scheme as inferior just because you personally struggled with it.

It wasn't so much that I struggled with it... it is just that when you see how much better legacy is, how much time it saves and how you can do it one-handed, it's a degree of advantage that is hard to ignore.

When I see other players struggling to do a mechanic in time, sure, I'll write it off and say they would probably benefit from this much better control method.

[CidHeiral]

It wasn't so much that I struggled with it... it is just that when you see how much better legacy is, how much time it saves and how you can do it one-handed, it's a degree of advantage that is hard to ignore.

When I see other players struggling to do a mechanic in time, sure, I'll write it off and say they would probably benefit from this much better control method.

The two are identical in performance for those who know what they're doing. You happen to have an easier time with legacy. I have the exact opposite experience and find legacy obnoxious to use, so my performance would suffer. It's just personal preference.