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    I mean... Not to get into details because it's OT but objectively AST has:
    - the lowest total potency of free heals for the tank (except maybe Macro depending on how you use it, but WHM also has Bene and its free heals have higher total potency over a minute)
    - the lowest rDPS in 4-man dungeons, by quite a margin
    When the total DPS is low and the wall-to-walls take forever, an AST will need to start using A.Benefic/Benefic II earlier than the other healers. It has fewer free tools to fall back on.
    It's totally OK to use A.Benefic/Benefic II because no one actually "optimises" dungeons, but it worsens the low DPS further and the fight takes even longer.

    It's a good job for 8-man raids, I sometimes play it for the excitement in dungeons as I said before, but I mean,
    if you play all healers in 4-man dungeons you'd know WHM/SCH/SGE are just easier to keep the tank alive, especially when you're paired with a non-WAR who doesn't use their mitigations.

    Not to mention OP was at lv72 which is one of AST's weakest spots I'd say, before getting CI & double EDs.
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    Last edited by TakumiHarada; 03-16-2024 at 02:26 AM.

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    For me it's quite the opposite: I have struggled more with WHM than with AST. I didn't find AST's healing to be insufficient. Especially with its current state. Benefic 2 and Asp Helios are faster than Cure 2 and Medica 2. Not to mention, all the staggered healing AST have in its kit are somehow giving me the feeling that AST is more proactive among the reactive healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bole View Post
    I don’t agree that AST is as weak as you say. What you’re describing is how I felt about 5.0 patch-day AST in Holminster, but it has gone through a significant number of buffs since then. AST lacks in 4-man rDPS, that’s about it.

    WHM typically has an easier time in dungeons because holy and benediction are very strong, and not gear dependent.
    Of course it's better at lv90 with all the new tools.
    God forbid ANY healer using up everything when most tanks don't even need a healer to begin with.
    Since I think most people would agree that the BHs are easier than the PHs to upkeep the tank, and if you agree that WHM is easier than AST for wall-to-walls, then AST automatically becomes the most difficult in that aspect.
    (Not to mention the oGCD traffic jam with AST!)

    You could argue "hey the bar is really low", but I was doing a "comparison", not absolute power.
    Besides, it actually becomes quite obvious when the tank doesn't use any mitigation in The Dead Ends. AST would be the first healer to end up spamming GCD heals.

    That plus the lower rDPS. Does that not make it the weakest objectively?
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    Last edited by TakumiHarada; 03-16-2024 at 12:07 PM.

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    Honestly I also agree WHM feels the worst in dungeons simply because despite being a regen healer WHM has the least access to actual passive regens, AST gets 2, SGE and SCH get 3, WHM only gets 1 and its a bubble

    It’s hard to overestimate just how much work kardia and eos do in dungeon runs so u always notice the lack of them on regen healers then I notice even more WHM’s lack of regens beyond that

    I agree single target healing on AST is relatively dicey though till you get that second charge of essential dignity and celestial intersection because a lot of the mid range heals AST gets are AOE (star, CU and CO all in quick succession), WHM has the benefit of holy but a lot of tanks don’t really take advantage of it to better stagger their mitigation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    It’s hard to overestimate just how much work kardia and eos do in dungeons uns so u always notice the lack of them on regen healers then I notice even more WHM’s lack of regens beyond that
    Shield healers, in general, becomes easier with experience. Pure healers plateau quickly.
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    WHM SCH and AST are definitely sitting at weird spot at lv72 having few holes here & there when it comes to handling the first 2 pulls of Holminsters.

    WHM have Tetra, Benediction, Benison, and Asylum at that point before having to dip into Solaces that feeds to their nonexisting Misery. They do have Holies.
    SCH have fae, 6 AF stacks, & Whispering Dawn. Maybe count double prepull Adlos (one on tank and another on yourself to spread) too. After that they have to bite the loss.
    AST have Essential Dignity, Collective Unconsciousness, Celestial Opposition, and Earthly Star before having to dip to GCDs.

    SGE is the only one that doesn't have this issue because Haima pretty much trivializes whichever of the two pulls that they decide to use it on, and they have wealth of other tools & kardion.
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    It's not your fault OP. I too had to experience AST in Holminster and the single Essential Dignity it's carried since Sastasha, in contrast to a SGE's 20-second three-stack heals that are obtained around 30 levels earlier. No getting through that without some Benefics.
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    Nathaniel Lenox
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    A job/class is only as good as the player behind it!
    In 4-man+++ content , you're playing with other players, their performence will effect you..and you will effect them.

    Experience is your best teacher, thats how i learned to play AST, guides on YT can teach you the bare basics.
    But none of them will teach you the stuff you learn by doing 5000+ dungeons runs.
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    Holminster Switch has some brutal pulls, i wouldnt say AST is at fault.
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    Not all healing jobs are created equal, and that's fine.
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