Skill-up's

[Churchill]

Problem is, people's favorite features of FFXI are why no one plays FFXI.

The shit that was okay back then was because we were kids, and had time to play inordinate amounts of time.

The shit that was okay back then was because we didn't know any better; FFXI was almost a direct import of Everquest and the grind and RNG nature of it was acceptable. This isn't the case anymore and you're not going to have people droning to sub to a P2P game where they can't even log in and accomplish anything. If for every action they do their only reward for 3 hours of work is dark matter, that's not going to work in the long run.

Garuda has a better system than the other primals/dungeons, but PUGs can't beat Garuda so that's largely irrelevant.

[Jynx]

The shit that was okay back then was because we were kids, and had time to play inordinate amounts of time.

Assuming that anyone who got anything done on XI had "Inordinate ammounts of time" to play is false. It's funny how short sighted it is.

I had a full time job/familly/friends and only played for a few hours a day if I even logged on at all. I still got plenty done, and had no issue with the "Grind" that most people here drone on about. I know I'm not alone either, are we a majority? doubtfull but we are here and we have every right to voice our opinion as people who pretend that short recyclable content is a good idea.

[Nazrakin]

Problem is, people's favorite features of FFXI are why no one plays FFXI.

The shit that was okay back then was because we were kids, and had time to play inordinate amounts of time.

The shit that was okay back then was because we didn't know any better; FFXI was almost a direct import of Everquest and the grind and RNG nature of it was acceptable. This isn't the case anymore and you're not going to have people droning to sub to a P2P game where they can't even log in and accomplish anything. If for every action they do their only reward for 3 hours of work is dark matter, that's not going to work in the long run.

Garuda has a better system than the other primals/dungeons, but PUGs can't beat Garuda so that's largely irrelevant.

I'm not talking about the "shit". When I think about the parts of FFXI that were a big success, I think of things like the skills chains, BCNMs, ect. I think the things that work best in FFXIV are the things that have already been lifted from FFXI like sub jobs, linkshells, and this concept of one character being able to do anything. I don't want shit like skill ups, exp loss, or hnm camping either.

Its silly to think that just because FFXI had some pretty "shit" elements that everything about it needs to be avoided.