The Trinity System in PVP

[Aubrey_A]

Not gonna lie, I miss the Trinity system for PVP. While 6.1 has (imo) been a net improvement to the XIV pvp system, I'm nostalgic about being a full-time healer in pvp.

My thoughts are:

• The current skill layout
• Less: Recuperate on all classes
• And: Healers being revised back to full-time healing

Would be a neat change of pace. This would have a significant impact on FL pacing. At the very least, it would slow down the pace of FL matches by reducing the amount of "DPS" classes available per match. At the same time, it could(?) increase the amount of support per FL match, especially if that support could play around the current FL meta.

That's not thinking about CC, and we know PVP balance revolves around CC balance.

[IDontPetLalas]

Not gonna lie, I miss the Trinity system for PVP. While 6.1 has (imo) been a net improvement to the XIV pvp system, I'm nostalgic about being a full-time healer in pvp.

My thoughts are:

• The current skill layout
• Less: Recuperate on all classes
• And: Healers being revised back to full-time healing

Would be a neat change of pace. This would have a significant impact on FL pacing. At the very least, it would slow down the pace of FL matches by reducing the amount of "DPS" classes available per match. At the same time, it could(?) increase the amount of support per FL match, especially if that support could play around the current FL meta.

That's not thinking about CC, and we know PVP balance revolves around CC balance.

I'm a bit confused about this, because on one hand you say that 6.1 has been a net improvement, but on the other hand you want to maintain all job changes while rolling back only healers- aside from recuperate on the other jobs?

Because you list "the current skill layout" without specifying which jobs would have changes, I don't see how this wouldn't affect all jobs.

Although I was fine with healers prior to the rework, I am fine with the healer rework and personally I wouldn't want it rolled back to full-time healing. I would, on the other hand, see how reducing the availability of recuperate on some jobs could be a positive change in FL.

[Valence]

I don't miss it at all, unlike for pve. It was full of problems, putting 95% of the party weight on healers, even after the introduction of potions/recuperate. If you want to reduce recuperate as well, then welcome back to pre ShB pvp where only healers matter.

I also do not want to go back to the good old times of 2 people per party had to take the bullet and swap to healer in FLs else you'd have 90% chance of losing if the other team did it and not yours.

[Niroken]

Recuperate should be reduced to the amount of healer spells. I always found it weird that everyone had access to better healing then actual healers. Then it might actually be worth the trade off for having a healing spell instead of a damage spell.

[Valence]

The amount of healing dedicated actions healers have (esp WHM and AST) is absolutely crazy already.

[Themarvin]

I don't think it should be to roll based at all based upon then the team with the most healers wins in a figure of speech, taking tanking away more would be a good feature as well, so it would be more based on everyone has to stand for themself and do their part.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I don't think it should be to roll based at all based upon then the team with the most healers wins in a figure of speech, taking tanking away more would be a good feature as well, so it would be more based on everyone has to stand for themself and do their part.

Being a PvP tank never had the game-deciding impact of being a PvP healer back when dedicated healers were a thing. Current tanks also aren't all equal on mitigation, like Warrior is actually squishy and plays around Primal Rend stuns and DRK outside of Salted Earth is a lifesteal DPS.

All tanks can be nuked fast though if you catch them without their defensive up and stun them before Guard. Well, in Crystalline Conflict at least. Many jobs have mitigation besides Guard anyhow, so thats not special to tanks.

Long story short - dedicated Healers had game-deciding impact, dedicated tanks did not. Literally not comparable.

[Araxes]

So i played Healer back in the Feast (Scholar) and achieved top 100 with it. While the Healer did have a huge impact, i do not think that it is accurate that only the healer mattered.

I had my fair share of matches where i outhealed the enemy healer tenfold but nothing died on the enemy side until i just ran out of mana. Tank Stuns and DPS CC mattered a lot especially later in the high tiers.

Also: being a Healer in the Feast was extremely stressful wich is probably the main reason the trinity got removed. Not to many had enough endurance to play and stick to the healer role until they got good enough.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

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Definitely true to say that Healer was not the only role that mattered. Melee had fairly important impact to actually pumping out enough damage, Caster had significant burst support and Ranged came in with additional CC and decent damage.

However while a game cannot be won by a good Healer alone you have to admit that Healers had a significantly higher skill floor.

Good melees and ranged won you games, good tanks stabilized games but good Healers were a necessity to even give everyone else a chance. This make-or-break design is what made Healers both the most stressful role and the most necessary one.

I for one am glad for asymmetric job design with Healers not having a lion's share of healing tools.

[Eastwall]

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Also: being a Healer in the Feast was extremely stressful wich is probably the main reason the trinity got removed. Not to many had enough endurance to play and stick to the healer role until they got good enough.

I can attest to that. I played restoration druid, discipline priest, And Holy paladin in warcraft, So naturally my first pick in pvp is healer. Boy l got flames So much for being new(including people tagging me in discord and telling me to stop playing healer). I do not miss the old days. However, l got to admit that l made me feel l truly earned "platinum wolf" as a scholar/astrologian.