Would you like to see the current stat system revised or redone for FFXIV 2.0?

**Talus** · 07-16-2012 11:37 PM

There are two key points I would like to cover.

1) It has weird calculations right now while having stats that normally affect things from magic potency to physical endurance being involved with the physical damage calculation your weapon does. Strength and Attack Power should be the only things that determine that (my opinion). They can still have other stats, based on class/job, that add to the Attack Power simply because it is relevant. Many games use Dexterity to increase damage of bows so that is normal.

2) I think that being able to see the direct effect of what stats do gives players a greater understanding of how it effects our characters and to what extent. I know people continue to throw out "I don't want to be spoon-fed...' which I'm not sure I follow why...people like the sense of mystery? Did you see how many years people spent speculating and facing north or other directions while crafting in XI, all for them to 10 years later say "that's not how it works."? Oh, getting sidetracked. I think the more important aspect of the transparency of how stats work would actually stabilize the economic side of the game. Right now besides some tests/ball-parking, few have an idea of how much +10 critical hit rate adds. But for all we know we could be pumping 1.5 million gil on adding .5%-1% critical hit chance. The transparency would better determine the value for all stats.

**Camate** · 07-28-2012 08:21 AM

Snurble here in your thread~!

I wanted to give you some details on what's being planned for stats in A Realm Reborn.

In regards to battle-related stats, it is currently possible to receive large boosts from stats on equipment, while character stats do not have as much of an effect. For example, equipping items with multiple materia melded to it will allow players to become quite powerful. In A Realm Reborn, we are planning to make adjustments so that the ratio of influence from character stats and from gear stats is 1:1. With this, having 5 materia melded onto a single item won’t elicit as large of a difference like it does currently.

Similarly in the current version, even when players add large amounts of INT and STR via equipment with multiple materia and such, it may feel like damage is not increasing and this is due to a damage range that has been set. Fundamentally, battle related stats fluctuate based on the level difference between enemies, and this is also why we are not planning to display evasion rates and other things.

For crafting, the stats in A Realm Reborn will have a greater influence than now, and for gathering, the requirements to obtain HQ items will be visible!

**Velhart** · 07-28-2012 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Camate

Snurble here in your thread~!

I wanted to give you some details on what's being planned for stats in A Realm Reborn.

In regards to battle-related stats, it is currently possible to receive large boosts from stats on equipment, while character stats do not have as much of an effect. For example, equipping items with multiple materia melded to it will allow players to become quite powerful. In A Realm Reborn, we are planning to make adjustments so that the ratio of influence from character stats and from gear stats is 1:1. With this, having 5 materia melded onto a single item won’t elicit as large of a difference like it does currently.

Similarly in the current version, even when players add large amounts of INT and STR via equipment with multiple materia and such, it may feel like damage is not increasing and this is due to a damage range that has been set. Fundamentally, battle related stats fluctuate based on the level difference between enemies, and this is also why we are not planning to display evasion rates and other things.

For crafting, the stats in A Realm Reborn will have a greater influence than now, and for gathering, the requirements to obtain HQ items will be visible!

Loving it, thank you for taking time to respond to this.

**Holy_Dragoon** · 07-28-2012 08:49 AM

This makes it sound to me that gear will have a little bit less relevance in 2.0 in favour of vanity selections. The bonus of this is that player skill will have a more potent punch in end-game activities. A skilled Dragoon that has learned their job vs an unskilled power leveled one that does not know their job could become much more important.

This is good for PUGs because content like Skirmish can be balanced for "typical" damage output, but also good for forming community bonds for hard content as skilled players can form up together by bonding through Linkshells and Free Companies.

I see this as a double plus.

**Dawiichan** · 07-28-2012 08:51 AM

This will give resistance materia a more important place if the stat becomes good.

**Musaid** · 07-28-2012 08:55 AM

People put their time and effort into multi-melding gear...just to get nerfed?

**carraway** · 07-28-2012 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Camate

In regards to battle-related stats, it is currently possible to receive large boosts from stats on equipment, while character stats do not have as much of an effect. For example, equipping items with multiple materia melded to it will allow players to become quite powerful. In A Realm Reborn, we are planning to make adjustments so that the ratio of influence from character stats and from gear stats is 1:1. With this, having 5 materia melded onto a single item won’t elicit as large of a difference like it does currently.

Similarly in the current version, even when players add large amounts of INT and STR via equipment with multiple materia and such, it may feel like damage is not increasing [...]

I appreciate you taking the time to address some concerns, Camate, but this doesn't make much sense to me. The reason why a x3 (or higher) meld hat with INT, for example, is so valuable is precisely because "when players add large amounts of INT" the damage visibly increases. Same goes for a few other stats, like physical crit atk power. I was unaware of any underlying mechanic where 1 point of INT from point allocation differed from 1 point of INT on gear. Are you saying that we're going to see our characters get large commensurate boosts in base stats after 2.0, so that proportionately the gains from gear aren't as noticeable?

I do hope, along with other posters in this thread, that mechanics are given more transparency in 2.0 and beyond. By doing so, the developers empower the playerbase to make the kinds of interesting and analytical choices that lead to more diverse gameplay.

**Masamune1004** · 07-28-2012 09:03 AM

Well if in 2.0 (or A Realm Reborn as you guys like to call it now) materia will have less of an effect, I guess I'll be waiting for then to get my relic, since materia will hopefully not be so overpriced. Another good thing from this.

**Elexia** · 07-28-2012 09:06 AM

It seems that the calculations are whats changing more so than the raw stat additions. (as it should be) Basically in XIV 1.0 you have to boost yourself so high to even feel a difference, now it sounds like you won't have to do as much to get an actual difference.

**Cichy** · 07-28-2012 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Camate

Snurble here in your thread~!

I wanted to give you some details on what's being planned for stats in A Realm Reborn.

In regards to battle-related stats, it is currently possible to receive large boosts from stats on equipment, while character stats do not have as much of an effect. For example, equipping items with multiple materia melded to it will allow players to become quite powerful. In A Realm Reborn, we are planning to make adjustments so that the ratio of influence from character stats and from gear stats is 1:1. With this, having 5 materia melded onto a single item won’t elicit as large of a difference like it does currently.

Similarly in the current version, even when players add large amounts of INT and STR via equipment with multiple materia and such, it may feel like damage is not increasing and this is due to a damage range that has been set. Fundamentally, battle related stats fluctuate based on the level difference between enemies, and this is also why we are not planning to display evasion rates and other things.

For crafting, the stats in A Realm Reborn will have a greater influence than now, and for gathering, the requirements to obtain HQ items will be visible!

The part about gear stats sounds incredibly stupid. Gear checks are a good part of an MMO and give players something to strive for. Shooting themselves in the foot yet again, /grin

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