Rotation Wish

[Matrinka]

Trying to learn new rotations is difficult. You know what would make a fun way to master them? If there was a rhythm game where you have to press the correct skills, in the way they should be used, to different boss themes.

I'd use that way more than Stone, Sky, Sea to see how I was playing. Make it a Gold Saucer game where we can earn MGP, even.

[CVXIV]

FFXIV x osu!

[TaleraRistain]

Rotations are a community driven thing. There's nothing in the game itself outlining the rotations found on 3rd party sites. That's why you can see variations. If someone in the community wanted to make that then more power to them, but I doubt SE is going to put something into the game that doesn't originate from it.

[LilimoLimomo]

Rotations are a community driven thing.

The communication of rotations is a community driven thing, but the creation of rotations comes from CBU3. When the combat designers at CBU3 design the abilities and skills and spells for a job, they most certainly understand that by doing so are simultaneously designing rotations. Because once the moves are finalized, it's a simple matter of calculation to determine what order and timing of usage will yield the most optimal damage.

I would presume that they also take into account that less-skilled and more casual players will use "good enough" versions of the rotations, but how explicitly they focus on such deviant rotations is anyone's guess.

CBU3 likes to play coy and act like anyone can play the game any way they like, and I do appreciate that they try to be welcoming and encourage players to relax and not feel like they have to optimize their rotations. But at certain levels of play you can't just hit any button you want whenever you want and expect to succeed, and it's at those points that optimizing to at least some degree is necessary to complete content. It would be nice if CBU3 did more to acknowledge that reality and provided better support in the game itself to facilitate growth for the players who are looking to grow.

[Yuella]

Rotation within a rotation.
Instead of
pressing 1 = first skill of the combo
pressing 2 = second skill of the combo
pressing 3 = third skill of the combo

Do
pressing 1, 2 then 3 = first skill of the combo
pressing 2, 3 then 1 = second skill of the combo
pressing 3, 1 then 2 = third skill of the combo

Like Ninjutsu but each ninjutsu is part of a combo.

[Jeeqbit]

Rotations are a community driven thing. There's nothing in the game itself outlining the rotations found on 3rd party sites. That's why you can see variations. If someone in the community wanted to make that then more power to them, but I doubt SE is going to put something into the game that doesn't originate from it.

That is definitely not true.

Healer's rotation: 1 button, 1 DoT... no communication necessary. Duh lol.

PLD rotation: 1-2-3 spam (literally lit up with yellow). Lots of buffs and attacks conveniently on a 60s cooldown, obviously meant to be used together as a burst. Not "community driven", just duh. Same for other tanks really. Same even for Ninja.

BLM rotation looks "made up" if you look it up, but if you just play it without looking it up, you will come to exactly the same rotation. Because you run out of MP and have to go into your ice phase with Blizzard 3 (obviously not Blizzard 1 because it grants less stacks). A proper read of your skills shows that the umbral hearts help with the MP management, so you follow with Blizzard 4. This is such an obviously good opportunity to use Thunder 3 or Xenoglossy. When you return to Fire mode, you'll notice that needs to be done with Fire 3 to get 3 stacks. You obviously want to spam your most powerful one, Fire 4. But you discover that the timer runs out before you finish, so you have to use Fire 1 to refresh it and that is the only way to do it with a reasonable cast time. Despair takes a bit to figure out, but you notice it's a higher potency than Fire, can only be used in Fire mode, yet it eats all the MP, so you quickly figure out you use it at the tail end of the fire spam.

I haven't played BLM for years. I didn't even look all that up anywhere. I just followed the process through logically in my mind and the entire rotation came out of it. Because if you read properly that's the only way it can really work. You could be an ice mage, but it is painfully obvious in that situation that you are missing half your rotation (all your fire spells) and that you are obviously missing something major in your understanding.

Additionally, I figure out the optimal openers in most cases without even looking them up, purely by comparing potencies and potency-per-seconds in the Windows Calculator, upon release, or even prior to release from the media tour.

So, no, you don't even need guides to figure this out. You just need to be able to read and do some simple maths. The guides exist because we, as a community, want to help people who find reading their tooltips + using windows calculator too confusing, which can be understandable, some people have only played games as simple as pong and coming into an MMORPG can be comparatively overwhelming.

[Eraden]

That is definitely not true.

BLM rotation looks "made up" if you look it up, but if you just play it without looking it up, you will come to exactly the same rotation. Because you run out of MP and have to go into your ice phase with Blizzard 3 (obviously not Blizzard 1 because it grants less stacks). A proper read of your skills shows that the umbral hearts help with the MP management, so you follow with Blizzard 4. This is such an obviously good opportunity to use Thunder 3 or Xenoglossy. When you return to Fire mode, you'll notice that needs to be done with Fire 3 to get 3 stacks. You obviously want to spam your most powerful one, Fire 4. But you discover that the timer runs out before you finish, so you have to use Fire 1 to refresh it and that is the only way to do it with a reasonable cast time. Despair takes a bit to figure out, but you notice it's a higher potency than Fire, can only be used in Fire mode, yet it eats all the MP, so you quickly figure out you use it at the tail end of the fire spam.

I haven't played BLM for years. I didn't even look all that up anywhere. I just followed the process through logically in my mind and the entire rotation came out of it. Because if you read properly that's the only way it can really work. You could be an ice mage, but it is painfully obvious in that situation that you are missing half your rotation (all your fire spells) and that you are obviously missing something major in your understanding.

Additionally, I figure out the optimal openers in most cases without even looking them up, purely by comparing potencies and potency-per-seconds in the Windows Calculator, upon release, or even prior to release from the media tour.

So, no, you don't even need guides to figure this out. You just need to be able to read and do some simple maths. The guides exist because we, as a community, want to help people who find reading their tooltips + using windows calculator too confusing, which can be understandable, some people have only played games as simple as pong and coming into an MMORPG can be comparatively overwhelming.

Mao rotation is (Startups) Fire III....Fire IV x3....Transpose....(Main sequence) Blizzard IV....Thunder IV (Mana all backs by now)....Fire III (Mao tried replacing this Fire III with Transpose buts Mao found sometimes mana was nots back to full yet so this Fire III stays)....Fire IV x3....Paradox....Fire IV x3....Transpose and backs to Blizzard IV for next main sequence. Mao finds Fire III and Blizzard III too slow and distastefuls for Mao likings so Mao tries use Transpose as often as possibles. Mao gots basic rotation from early guides but Mao made tweeks to makes rotation more comfortables for Mao. Oscarlet corrects that skills and abilities naturally show the way for how to set up rotations. Mao bettings so many other BLMs made similar tweeks as Mao did based on thems experiences with spells.

[Fhaerron]

Rotations are a community driven thing. There's nothing in the game itself outlining the rotations found on 3rd party sites. That's why you can see variations. If someone in the community wanted to make that then more power to them, but I doubt SE is going to put something into the game that doesn't originate from it.

But if the 8 people in the raid press buttons randomly you won't beat the boss before enrage timer.
Square Enix THEMSELVES implanted an enrage system that you will wipe if you don't do enough DPS in a certain timeframe.

[Wolwosh]

Mao rotation is (Startups) Fire III....Fire IV x3....Transpose....(Main sequence) Blizzard IV....Thunder IV (Mana all backs by now)....Fire III (Mao tried replacing this Fire III with Transpose buts Mao found sometimes mana was nots back to full yet so this Fire III stays)....Fire IV x3....Paradox....Fire IV x3....Transpose and backs to Blizzard IV for next main sequence. Mao finds Fire III and Blizzard III too slow and distastefuls for Mao likings so Mao tries use Transpose as often as possibles. Mao gots basic rotation from early guides but Mao made tweeks to makes rotation more comfortables for Mao. Oscarlet corrects that skills and abilities naturally show the way for how to set up rotations. Mao bettings so many other BLMs made similar tweeks as Mao did based on thems experiences with spells.

You sound like a crazy person..

[Ravenblade1979]

Trying to learn new rotations is difficult. You know what would make a fun way to master them? If there was a rhythm game where you have to press the correct skills, in the way they should be used, to different boss themes.

I'd use that way more than Stone, Sky, Sea to see how I was playing. Make it a Gold Saucer game where we can earn MGP, even.

I will take "How to make this game more braindead for 500 Alex"

To be fair. People couldn't even do that phase of suzaku right or other stuff that takes pressing a button to do. If people are unwilling to learn then cool. Stay out of high end content where ya need to know your rotation (that there's a discord dedicated to this very thing) to even pass it. Even some normal content needs you to have two braincells rubbed together or you die or even the whole raid dies (midphase warrior of light or midphase Alexander 12)