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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuella View Post
    Venat did tell them how to beat the Final Days in that lengthy cutscene

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    Venat
    No, my friends. Suffering exists, and we cannot pretend otherwise.

    No civilization, however great, could eliminate it. If we would live, we must accept it as our constant companion.
    Let us not seek to forget this tragedy. Let us carry it in our hearts, that we may grow stronger and know true happiness.

    Bitter Ancient
    We can't accept it! We won't accept it! It will be ours again—a world free of sorrow!

    Venat
    No, it will not, for there has ever been sorrow. Mankind was but spared its biting sting for a time.

    So please, open your eyes. To try and reclaim those lives we lost by sacrificing yet more isn't wisdom. It is weakness.
    No paradise is without its shadows. If we cannot accept this truth and learn from our pain, then our plight shall be repeated.
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    Stopping that particular Final Days would not stop another Athena or Hermes from doing the same thing again 1000, 10000 or 100000 years in the future if they never learn how to accept sufferings. This is the main point of the story (the details don't matter). There's no such thing as a perfect society (otherwise people like Athena or Hermes would not exist) and they have to learn accepting imperfection as part of their society instead of declaring every imperfect things or beings a failure immediately. Maybe there's a slight flaw in the writing where they didn't hammer this point well enough but the main idea is solid.
    Yuella, you are being disingenuous. This is not "showing the way", this is Venat pontificating at a group of random people traumatized by an extinction level event that could have been avoided if she had told one or two Convocation members the truth. I disagree with EW's point that a world that has done its best to mitigate suffering [which we in the real world should be doing anyway, ya know, leaving the world a better place than we found it] is a bad place to be, that is all. Also, I would certainly prefer a thousand or 10 thousand years of a relatively tranquil life in the Ancient world where people don't starve or have to worry about being prostituted out [Limsa and Ul'dah both] or murdered in wars [Garlemald]. So, yeah.
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    Last edited by redheadturk; 03-13-2024 at 08:13 PM.