Why Black Mage is the best designed job and what can be learned from it

[rawker]

To me, it matters. It actually makes me think that they're gonna make it right someday.

[ThorneDynasty]

To me, it matters. It actually makes me think that they're gonna make it right someday.

I'm confused, how does blatant and sweeping disregard for job identity make you think they'll do it right one day? All it shows is they don't even care - At least disappointing but incremental changes would leave some benefit of the doubt.

[rawker]

I'm confused, how does blatant and sweeping disregard for job identity make you think they'll do it right one day?...

It only means that they are not afraid to shake things up when push comes to shove. Again, like what I said in my previous post, I think in this thread (too lazy to backread), some voices are heard more than others. Their vision on how a job will be designed was implemented.

... All it shows is they don't even care - At least disappointing but incremental changes would leave some benefit of the doubt.

Pure speculation. We don't have proof that they don't care. Sure we can say that they do and you might even be correct. But again, given that they did make some drastic changes says otherwise.

[Supersnow845]

It only means that they are not afraid to shake things up when push comes to shove. Again, like what I said in my previous post, I think in this thread (too lazy to backread), some voices are heard more than others. Their vision on how a job will be designed was implemented.



Pure speculation. We don't have proof that they don't care. Sure we can say that they do and you might even be correct. But again, given that they did make some drastic changes says otherwise.

What push came to shove anything about pre 6.3 PLD, everyone adored it, it was just a little too weak on the damage side, then instead of actually buffing its DPS while maintaining its design they just made it a diet GNB

[rawker]

What push came to shove anything about pre 6.3 PLD, everyone adored it, it was just a little too weak on the damage side, then instead of actually buffing its DPS while maintaining its design they just made it a diet GNB

I remember back during HW in one of their live letters. They acknowledged the overwhelmingly negative responses to PLD sucking so bad (blocks only affecting Physical damage when raid tiers are mostly magical because DRK was the new tank back then and one of its highlights, I think it still has it at this moment, is its magical mitigation) and promised that they will make adjustments. Surely they did. Indomitability/Emergency Tactics was SE's answer to SCH missing an on-demand AoE healing other than Succor spamming.

And who would've forgotten the SMN that we have right now? It is not engaging and downright boring but still the job has undergone rework after rework, hopefully they do another. The changes might not be the right one but again, it is a progress.

Edit.. don't crucify me for saying this but I think in one of the interviews or whatever it is, the community has been allegedly labeled as "hard to please". I guess it shows, if accurate.

[SieyaM]

It's the job Yoshi P plays so it gets more attention and refinement than other jobs. That's all there is to it.

[Aravell]

GNBs doing more DPS than a PLD is fair.

PLD was actually in very dire straits on EW launch. They were doing about 10% less dps than DRK, who was on top at the time. That low dps wasn't even rewarded with utility either, Divine Veil back then still required a heal to proc, their personal healing was also only the regen from Holy Sheltron and Clemency which costs you a GCD. They were doing less dps than WAR, who had 2 free heals, a party heal+shield and the best invuln in the game.

They actually were getting locked out of PF a lot, that's why they got buffs, and when those buffs weren't enough to bring parity, they just turned PLD into GNB.

[RyanCousland]

not a black mage main but i do find it fun in all expansions but if someone already mentioned it then my apologies but is there a reason/argument as to why aetherflow shouldnt work like icarus? this is my only issue with Black mage

[Tamaerl]

not a black mage main but i do find it fun in all expansions but if someone already mentioned it then my apologies but is there a reason/argument as to why aetherflow shouldnt work like icarus? this is my only issue with Black mage

You mean Aetherial Manipulation? I wish Aetherial Manipilation and Icarus both worked like Shukuchi.

[RyanCousland]

You mean Aetherial Manipulation? I wish Aetherial Manipilation and Icarus both worked like Shukuchi.

oh yeh forgot thats the name but also a ground target teleport would be cool, give it a charge like in pvp