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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    it excels at preemptive damage prevention, but it suffers a shortage of emergency recovery when things go wrong, you have to constantly stay oon top of your shield being kept up on the tank, or you are spending all your CDs to recover, and then lacking them when you need them later
    This is 100% not how you play SGE

    SGE is functionally a regen healer, SGE relies on silent mitigation and constant regen ticks to keep the tank healthy, it almost never actually relies on shields
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    This is 100% not how you play SGE

    SGE is functionally a regen healer, SGE relies on silent mitigation and constant regen ticks to keep the tank healthy, it almost never actually relies on shields
    maybe in savage once you are playing with people with a brain cell, but leveling it and running dungons your dps heal tic wont keep up the drk that thinks mitigation is a dps loss..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    maybe in savage once you are playing with people with a brain cell, but leveling it and running dungons your dps heal tic wont keep up the drk that thinks mitigation is a dps loss..
    I mean offering advice that amounts to “this is how you heal the worst tank in existence” is actively bad for explaining how a class truly works

    And I don’t just mean kardia, you should be relying on kerechole and physis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I mean offering advice that amounts to “this is how you heal the worst tank in existence” is actively bad for explaining how a class truly works
    and youre offering no advice at all, just acting like a stuck up elitist, but thats not the case as you dont even know the stat weights for a healer based on how your gear looks..
    i'm sure you view on only Kardia healing works out great when you run your trial roulette..
    also what the heck is a "silent mitigation" you mean a shield? or are you talking about a 30 second cd (Kerachole) being your core rotation?
    and what regen tic are you even talking about? maybe your using Druochole between Dyskrasia spam but neither of those are a regen..

    why not actually help instead of fishing for a gotcha moment?
    i swear your comment is like saying Scholar rotation is just letting your fairy spam cure1..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    and youre offering no advice at all, just acting like a stuck up elitist, but thats not the case as you dont even know the stat weights for a healer based on how your gear looks..
    i'm sure you view on only Kardia healing works out great when you run your trial roulette..
    also what the heck is a "silent mitigation" you mean a shield? or are you talking about a 30 second cd (Kerachole) being your core rotation?
    and what regen tic are you even talking about? maybe your using Druochole between Dyskrasia spam but neither of those are a regen..

    why not actually help instead of fishing for a gotcha moment?
    i swear your comment is like saying Scholar rotation is just letting your fairy spam cure1..
    What? I know my gear is a mess, you know why, because I’m not doing savage this expansion, so I’m running entirely with casual gear, I know I have too much piety, but ilvl outweighs excluding piety on all but the ring (which as you can see I’m wearing a weaker ring to exclude piety) talk about fishing for a gotcha while accusing others of it

    And as I have said your core healing from SGE comes from a combination of the tick on kardia, the tick on kerechole and the tick on physis (3 regens) along with kerechole’s silent 10% mitigation (ie not a shield because you can’t see it as anything besides a buff),

    Unless your tank is literal wet tissue paper then those three together should be plenty for healing most content, taurochole is a second line of defence, your other main means of healing would be krasis+haima and panhaima if the pull is fast and physis is still on CD

    I’m not trying to get a gotcha you are just offering bad advice, especially since you don’t seem to know that “tick” refers to a regen tick in this case
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    you don’t seem to know that “tick” refers to a regen tick in this case
    a regen usually refers to a H.o.T. not a server tick from a drict action causing a heal. I.E. regen the whm ability for instance, if its a heal based on your direct action its just a heal, kardia healing is not a regen, its a direct reflection of your own damage actions. a regen is something that happens after applied regardless of what actions you take after initiating said skill.

    also kerechole is not a silent mitigation, its a specific 10% mitigation whit a regen (you know an actual one) that mitigation is its base effect and use, its not a byproduct of its action.

    maybe at least learn the terminologies that are used in every mmo for the last 30 years before you start lecturing everyone else on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    maybe in savage once you are playing with people with a brain cell, but leveling it and running dungons your dps heal tic wont keep up the drk that thinks mitigation is a dps loss..
    The only time I ever need to cast a GCD shield spell during combat after getting Addersgall is if the tank does a 3+2 deathwish pull without an invuln (which is basically just the first stretch of the Lv79 dungeon). Literally any other time all my GCDs are attack spells.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mostly_Raxus View Post
    a regen usually refers to a H.o.T. not a server tick from a drict action causing a heal. I.E. regen the whm ability for instance, if its a heal based on your direct action its just a heal, kardia healing is not a regen, its a direct reflection of your own damage actions. a regen is something that happens after applied regardless of what actions you take after initiating said skill.
    The distinction is meaningless. Every GCD I'm using in combat is an attack and therefore the tank is getting healed regularly at 2.5s intervals without me casting a single healing spell. It is a regen effect in execution if not in strict categorization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    What? I know my gear is a mess, you know why, because I’m not doing savage this expansion, so I’m running entirely with casual gear, I know I have too much piety, but ilvl outweighs excluding piety on all but the ring (which as you can see I’m wearing a weaker ring to exclude piety) talk about fishing for a gotcha while accusing others of it
    Wow twice in two days.

    Anyway it’s just a clunkier embrace macro with no auto to fall back on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fulminating View Post
    Wow twice in two days.

    Anyway it’s just a clunkier embrace macro with no auto to fall back on.
    I thought the same thing, gear checked twice in 2 days
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