QoL and reducing number of the buttons suggestion

[Erinellza]

Speaking from a controller perspective.

That's understandable. And I play on PC with keyboard and MMO mouse, I want to use my buttons. That's why making it optional would be the best solution! Combat settings: original or modern, you pick the one you prefer. That's all they need to make everyone happy. Options are good, let people play however they want.

[SailorCeti]

In my humble opinion, no job should have more than 24 abilities, not including role abilities. Two bars worth, max. Just make them more about quality then quantity.

[Supersnow845]

Controllers aren’t limited to 32 buttons, they have 48

If you don’t know how to use 48 then you aren’t using the cross hotbar system properly

Controllers aren’t a problem at all and arguing controller support should be revoked for said reason is just a stupid non starter of an argument

[Merrigan]

Controllers aren’t limited to 32 buttons, they have 48

If you don’t know how to use 48 then you aren’t using the cross hotbar system properly

Controllers aren’t a problem at all and arguing controller support should be revoked for said reason is just a stupid non starter of an argument

Honest question, because I'm probably prejudiced about this: isn't it the navigation between the buttons in question that's causing the problem? I've seen videos where it looked extremely problematic.

[Supersnow845]

Honest question, because I'm probably prejudiced about this: isn't it the navigation between the buttons in question that's causing the problem? I've seen videos where it looked extremely problematic.

No the cross hotbars are incredibly easy to use

There is just optional extension of the bars using easy to press combos of buttons that not everyone turns on
1) the 16 core actions (L2+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down + R2+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down)
2) the 16 extended actions (double tap L2+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down + double tap R2+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down)
3) the hyper extended options (L+R+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down + R+L+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down)

If you really want to get whacky you can also shift to another cross hotbar with R1+circle/square/x/triangle, for example I used to put my AOE actions on a different hotbar, using this design you functionally have 64 easy to access buttons

Controller doesn’t have remote hotbar space problems and people who think it doesn’t either don’t play on controller or don’t understand the cross hotbar system

[Merrigan]

No the cross hotbars are incredibly easy to use

There is just optional extension of the bars using easy to press combos of buttons that not everyone turns on
1) the 16 core actions (L2+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down + R2+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down)
2) the 16 extended actions (double tap L2+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down + double tap R2+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down)
3) the hyper extended options (L+R+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down + R+L+circle/square/x/triangle/left/right/up/down)

If you really want to get whacky you can also shift to another cross hotbar with R1+circle/square/x/triangle, for example I used to put my AOE actions on a different hotbar, using this design you functionally have 64 easy to access buttons

Controller doesn’t have remote hotbar space problems and people who think it doesn’t either don’t play on controller or don’t understand the cross hotbar system

Alright, thx for the answer. Then, no excuse for the "reduce number of buttons" position.

[SailorCeti]

Alright, thx for the answer. Then, no excuse for the "reduce number of buttons" position.

Sure there is. Physical disability. I've had two strokes and hav a limited range of motion. I play on a keyboard and once my left hand is in position over the 1-5/f1-f5 keys, it doesn't move. I have to click the rest with the mouse, which is ridiculous on most jobs.

[TheDustyOne]

Controllers haven't had issues with hotbar space for years now. Between cross hotbars, W cross hotbars, and RB/R1 switching, you have more slots than most PC setups need.

[Gordita]

Controllers haven't had issues with hotbar space for years now. Between cross hotbars, W cross hotbars, and RB/R1 switching, you have more slots than most PC setups need.

Til 6/8 are shared hotbars and people can't use double tap for combat because it causes pain after doing it for some time. Changing to any hotbar that isn't linked to expandedcontrols causes more room for error, more wipes, etc. It's critical in high end content to not be accidentally provoking or wasting a swift cast when you meant to hit something else. Or switch to a bar and push a button then switch bar again only to realize the game decided to not execute the action that was input by the player. So now rotation is messed up, possibly multiple times per encounter lowering dmg output and leaving the door wide open for raid wiping mistakes

[TheDustyOne]

Another thing with controllers is there's an option to have a different hotbar available when your weapon is put sheathed/unsheathed. When I do pull out my controller every now and then, I have crossbar 8 when I'm sheathed, with crossbar 7 as a quick RB press, and crossbars 1 and 2 for unsheathed, 1 being ST and 2 being AoE. Crossbars 3 and 4 are for extended crossbars when both triggers are held. The end result is I can comfortably map all skills on any job and still have plenty of room for quick access to common menus out of combat.