QoL and reducing number of the buttons suggestion

[Saraide]

This entire thread is just people outing themselves as having no clue how to bind their abilities.

That's probably true. Fixing your keybinds honestly makes all the difference between a job feeling awful to play and being smooth sailing but that takes a bit of time and effort because it's not something someone else can do for you all that well. I know it from myself aswell: I'm not a melee dps player so I havent put much thought into keybinds there which makes them bad which in turn makes those jobs not fun to play.

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Assuming you move with WASD, that's why outside 1 to 6, you'd keybind your ~, Tab, Q, E, R, T, F, G, Z, X, C, V, B, F1-F4 and add Alt/Shift/CTRL modifier, whichever you feel most comfortable to & depending on their importance.

I went scorched earth and move exclusively with holding both mouse buttons. More easily accessible keyboard buttons for me.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Specifically for SAM, this type of counting for consolidation does not work because of the existence of Meikyo and necessity of random-sized fillers (in at least some fights, and definitely during prog). At best, this would deduct 3 buttons for single target, which would, admittedly, still be a better solution than removing Kaiten because some clowns who barely play the class "don't like it".

Consolidating combos for Gekko, Kasha, Yukikaze, Mangetsu and Oka would have no bearing on what you can do as a Samurai gameplay wise.

Meikyo Shisui on combo finishers grants their respective damage and haste effects, so you have no reason to use those stacks for Jinpu or Shifu. Furthermore, if for any reason you want to run fillers you have Enpi (particularly after Hissatsu: Yaten) and for whatever strange reason you want to break your combo after Jinpu/Shifu you simply press the Hakaze combo starter of a different combo.

The only thing this will prevent you from doing is intentionally using Hakaze repeatedly. Which I'd genuinely ask why you'd want to do that.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

We should also make Shinten auto cast whenever you have available good boy samurai points, it's just bloat anyways, as demonstrated by Kaiten removal that nobody liked or ever complained about anyways.
And the stickers too, dumb stupid stickers, they should all be the same symbol and color, let the SAM pick his favorite combo animation to spam, I'm just here to spam Gekko 300 times per fight.

Turning 6 Single Target and 3 AOE weaponskills into 5 combo buttons which you still have to use the same amount of times as the combo has steps to complete them is not the same as turning Shinten into a Raid Shadow Legends autobattler.

You are not going to use Gekko 300 times nor will your 8 button input before Midare Setsugekka be reduced to 1 Hotkey. You are simply moving your Gekko combo from 123 to 111, Kasha combo is 222, Yukikaze combo is 33, Mangetsu combo is 44, Oka combo is 55. The weaponskills Hakaze, Jinpu, Shifu and Fuga/Fuko are not going away, they are simply condensed.

I suggest looking up how PvP combos worked when we had multiple combo branches rather than having an uneducated meltdown over a clear misunderstanding.

[Astrus]

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Fixing your keybinds honestly makes all the difference between a job feeling awful to play and being smooth sailing but that takes a bit of time and effort because it's not something someone else can do for you all that well. I know it from myself aswell: I'm not a melee dps player so I havent put much thought into keybinds there which makes them bad which in turn makes those jobs not fun to play.
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I have set up my keybinds so the majority of Jobs within an archetype use about the same layout, which is both a blessing and a curse.
On the one hand, muscle memory means I don't need to spend a lot of conscious thought on where abilities are when I swap Jobs making for a smooth transition.
On the other hand, it really makes you realize how homogenized and samey a lot of the Jobs feel.

Which, I suppose, is one of the issues with pruning abilities. If you prune all the identity out of a Job to replace it with bland "does damage" oGCDs on a 30/60/120s timer is it really an improvement? I could do with less of those and more interesting abilities even if the end result is less buttons to push overall.

[kaynide]

Turning 6 Single Target and 3 AOE weaponskills into 5 combo buttons which you still have to use the same amount of times as the combo has steps to complete them is not the same as turning Shinten into a Raid Shadow Legends autobattler.

You are not going to use Gekko 300 times nor will your 8 button input before Midare Setsugekka be reduced to 1 Hotkey. You are simply moving your Gekko combo from 123 to 111, Kasha combo is 222, Yukikaze combo is 33, Mangetsu combo is 44, Oka combo is 55. The weaponskills Hakaze, Jinpu, Shifu and Fuga/Fuko are not going away, they are simply condensed.

I suggest looking up how PvP combos worked when we had multiple combo branches rather than having an uneducated meltdown over a clear misunderstanding.

To be fair I don’t think they read my post to begin with. Just a “make SAM more streamlined” made them PTSD about losing Kaiten, or something.

[Merrigan]

To be fair I don’t think they read my post to begin with. Just a “make SAM more streamlined” made them PTSD about losing Kaiten, or something.

Or people did read your post, and didn't agree to it ?

[CelestiCer]

This entire thread is just people outing themselves as having no clue how to bind their abilities.

Summary of the thread is like a group surrounding an unseasoned Chicken, debating on how to cook it at maximum comfiness while making it optimally bland...

- Let's boil it in water! / Great idea!
- Seasoning & Frying sounds like effort
- Lets microwave it! Requires 1 button "

Or people did read your post, and didn't agree to it ?

I am a Samurai player only, I did disagree with it yes

[Merrigan]

Summary of the thread is like a group surrounding an unseasoned Chicken, debating on how to cook it at maximum comfiness while making it optimally bland...

- Let's boil it in water! / Great idea!
- Seasoning & Frying sounds like effort
- Lets microwave it! Requires 1 button "



I am a Samurai player only, I did disagree with it yes

I play Sam a lot (my "main" on my real char), and same. But to second other posts, I get the impression that many people just don't have the right reflexes to bind the keys. Between ctrl, shift, alt potentially (even if I find it rather impractical, personally), mouse buttons, the keys that are accessible (French keyboard here, so e, s, f, t, r, w etc etc), and of course the classic 1-2-3 (etc)... The possibilities are endless.

In fact, the problem is more the screen clutter than the blinds themselves.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Or people did read your post, and didn't agree to it ?

There is disagreeing... and then there is using hyperbole reactions and fallacious slippery-slope statements like "oh you want to condense combos like in PvP? guess you want Shinten to be an automatic attack then!" to embellish their opinion of why X is bad.

You can disagree to it express how you feel about it, but using slippery slope arguments for what has not been said or implied is a bad way to present your point. Frankly there have been multiple points throughout this thread and other threads of same nature that suggests it as a selectable feature rather than forcing everyone into it. So I see no reason why people push against it when there is always the toggle option.

[CelestiCer]

Consolidating combos for Gekko, Kasha, Yukikaze, Mangetsu and Oka would have no bearing on what you can do as a Samurai gameplay wise.

Except lets be realistic... Square has never accommodated such a toggle option for players in PvE, which ultimately results in what we assume = Streamlining. MSQ proved that, it's literally Streamlining





Top things a Samurai casts during a P10S run. No shocker - Hissatsu: Shinten Nr1, statistically 1/5 of our Samurai gameplay now. Combo Compression comes pretty close to this mind-numbing gameplay. After simulating a hypothetical rotation of it? I can't believe I hate something more then Shinten Spamming.

Some of the most hardcore raiding Samurai mains quit Samurai purely due to the horrible changes, then homogenizations, then streamlining and then Kaiten removal... (Rip Boxer) Square already is doing a bang-up job on beating the passion out of players who loved their Jobs cause it makes it dumber after we got nothing in return in the past already. The suggestions here scream to me as " lets not stop there " so we can accommodate passionless players to be more lazier then they ever need to be on Jobs they barely even play with or without changes.

Nothing about improvement of Job-Gameplay, purely Optimized comfiness to solve a issue we have better solutions for already that aren't being implemented first and ignored completely as well here.

So I rather disagree to regard this as another streamlining simplification and a subpar Bloat solution suggestion? until I see something return of substance first after we got nothin after 8 simplifications, then I'll consider accepting the idea of a combo compression after they implement the other Bloat solutions first i.e Shoha/ShohaII/Guren/Senei/Iki/Ogi etc merge/fusing. If that sounds reasonable, cause atm its dumb as bricks and that's just Samurai, mhm...

Cause the Cherry on Top? " Zero suggestions is made to give meat on the bone " on a Job I consider pretty bare bones already, and were all here debating how to shave more off of it atm...