Pulling why?

[Canadane]

Ultimately the decision falls on the healer. If the healer feels like they can take on more adds then they depict the pace. DPS should never depict the pace unless things are melting so fast that the tank is taking next to 0 damage which is rarely the case.

After a certain level, healers aren't even needed for full pulls.

[Doozer]

After a certain level, healers aren't even needed for full pulls.

I'll remember that next time I'm healing in a dungeon. I look forward to AFKing I guess.

[Supersnow845]

I'll remember that next time I'm healing in a dungeon. I look forward to AFKing I guess.

If you count AOW spamming as AFK then basically yes because you never need to press any of your 30 vaguely green coloured buttons in a dungeon

And what about the tank that runs out of range of said healer when the healer is trying to keep them alive, but the tank decides to keep it going despite being almost out of hp?

Yes, this has happened to me more times than I want to think about. Would be chasing the tank, stop to heal said tank when there was a short chance, only to have tank decide to run almost immediately again. Only so many instants available before all on cd.

This is only relevant is sub 50 content because you have an infinite number of oGCD’s to spend and in sub 50 content why are you so far behind the tank

[Doozer]

If you count AOW spamming as AFK then basically yes because you never need to press any of your 30 vaguely green coloured buttons in a dungeon

They said healers aren't needed in full pulls, that includes their damage. Or their fairy, or any other passive heals or mitigation.

[Supersnow845]

They said healers aren't needed in full pulls, that includes their damage. Or their fairy, or any other passive heals or mitigation.

They aren’t, you can drop the healer in a full pull and bring a third DPS, your run will go faster

[Doozer]

They aren’t, you can drop the healer in a full pull and bring a third DPS, your run will go faster

I think people on the forums gravely misunderstand that what they do does not apply to 99% of dungeon runs. Most people do dungeons in DF. You can't matchmake with 1 tank and 3 DPS. So the scenario in question means the healer does absolutely nothing while the tank and 2 DPS are doing it without them.

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

[Supersnow845]

I think people on the forums gravely misunderstand that what they do does not apply to 99% of dungeon runs. Most people do dungeons in DF. You can't matchmake with 1 tank and 3 DPS. So the scenario in question means the healer does absolutely nothing while the tank and 2 DPS are doing it without them.

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

I’m not saying it’s common I’m saying that not only is it possible it’s accessible to do if you have like minded people and it will actually speed your run up

You should not actively benefit from excluding a third of the trinity, your argument basically boils down to “healers are an enforced burden on the party by the DF system” which really isn’t a shining indication of 14’s trinity design

[GoatOfWar]

I think people on the forums gravely misunderstand that what they do does not apply to 99% of dungeon runs. Most people do dungeons in DF. You can't matchmake with 1 tank and 3 DPS. So the scenario in question means the healer does absolutely nothing while the tank and 2 DPS are doing it without them.

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

3 dps and a Warrior is actually optimal for dungeons.

[Mimilu]

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

It could be argued that that is a failing of the dev team and the game as a whole not teaching players how to get ready for max level content (not end game or high-end content, like raiding and savages, but basics). If they're going to design gameplay around the lowest denominator of the playerbase, they really should try to teach that playerbase the basics. ┐(´∀｀)┌

[Oizen]

I think people on the forums gravely misunderstand that what they do does not apply to 99% of dungeon runs. Most people do dungeons in DF. You can't matchmake with 1 tank and 3 DPS. So the scenario in question means the healer does absolutely nothing while the tank and 2 DPS are doing it without them.

And just because something can be done, doesn't mean that the people saying it or thinking they can do it are capable of it. So many tanks are too afraid to even use their invuln because they think it's for emergencies only. I seriously doubt it's as common as you think.

Well no, it just means the healer is there and going to mash their aoe button as the tank does everything else. They're not going to press most of their healer buttons.

Unless its a Dark Knight I guess.