Pulling why?

[Supersnow845]

I am so sorry for the hate you're getting.

I feel like if people want to wall-to-wall pull they should run with friends for their roulette's. Honestly, I had a healer who wouldn't heal me unless my HP dropped to 10% why would I want to pull more if I'm not getting healed? People have their reasons for not w2w pulling. when I'm not constantly at 55-60% HP or more I don't wall to wall unless (it's an emergency).

Yes. Healers do have attacks, but they are not a dps, that's a meme- let it die, please.

If people want to w2w then that's fine, either do it with a full friend party or in Duty Support or Trusts; we shouldn't decide that's something is "The Norm" or an Expected way to do it- that turns people off from tanking in general.

Let people tank how they want.

No, this is not a troll post, I'm genuinely tired of this "expected" mentality that people have in their heads and get all Toxic like the people in this thread "WhO CaReS?" or "It'S NoT ThAt DeEp..." I'm disappointed in everybody.

Realistically there are only about THREE to FIVE dungeons in the game that are faster doing wall-to-wall pulls (and that's by about 2 Minutes' worth of dungeon).

Remember, YOUR time is just as valuable to yourself as others are to them- if they don't want a slow dungeon, that's on them and they can queue with online friends they have a friends list in the game for a reason, so use it.

1) if you want to go slow why aren’t you queuing with friends, if you do less than W2W I don’t need you, I can kick you and have the DRG tank

2) healer AOE often does more damage than the true DPS, above 9 enemies SCH is the most powerful class in the game at AOE

3) why do you constantly need to be above 50-60% I know how my heals work and when I actually need to press a healing button, you sure are demanding a lot got someone who obviously places zero trust in their healer

4) why aren’t you using your tank heals, you can functionally ignore me with the heals tanks get

5) to reiterate 1 there is never a valid reason to not W2W (ie pull 2 packs)

[Manamaru]

The perfect answer is just asking at the start of the dungeon something like:
"Hello there! Hey, how comfortable do you feel about <X> ?"
"<Y>" or "<Z>" Response
"Cool. Let's give it a go"
And progress through from there.

I know the trope/joke for WoW players coming over is they don't communicate at all (even though this has happened before they've arrived), but really communication is key. The WoL might have echo past/mind seeing powers, but you sure don't.

[Daliena]

All these "wall to walls aren't actually faster" (false) and "your time is just as valuable" (true, but note: JUST AS. Not moreso. One player insisting that everyone should go slowly does not override the other three preferring speed, and you being the tank does not make you the dictator of the dungeon) arguments leave me shaking my head.

Y'all who wanna go slow, get it through your heads - you have a right to choose to go slow, yes. But you do not have the right to force your preference on the rest of the team. If everyone else wants to go fast, either go fast, or drop out and run with duty support - the AI doesn't mind if you want to take your time to slow pull, admire the scenery, smell the flowers and whatnot.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

The community standard is W2W with very few exceptions. Because of this it is on the individuals who DON'T want to W2W pull to speak up, build their own parties or use Duty Support / Trusts.

The only thing I base my pulls on is if my healer/tank (or me as healer/tank) is undergeared. If I wanted to single-pull I'd replace the tank with a third DPS.

[MitsukiKimura]

I am so sorry for the hate you're getting.

I feel like if people want to wall-to-wall pull they should run with friends for their roulette's. Honestly, I had a healer who wouldn't heal me unless my HP dropped to 10% why would I want to pull more if I'm not getting healed? People have their reasons for not w2w pulling. when I'm not constantly at 55-60% HP or more I don't wall to wall unless (it's an emergency).

Yes. Healers do have attacks, but they are not a dps, that's a meme- let it die, please.

If people want to w2w then that's fine, either do it with a full friend party or in Duty Support or Trusts; we shouldn't decide that's something is "The Norm" or an Expected way to do it- that turns people off from tanking in general.

Let people tank how they want.

No, this is not a troll post, I'm genuinely tired of this "expected" mentality that people have in their heads and get all Toxic like the people in this thread "WhO CaReS?" or "It'S NoT ThAt DeEp..." I'm disappointed in everybody.

Realistically there are only about THREE to FIVE dungeons in the game that are faster doing wall-to-wall pulls (and that's by about 2 Minutes' worth of dungeon).

Remember, YOUR time is just as valuable to yourself as others are to them- if they don't want a slow dungeon, that's on them and they can queue with online friends they have a friends list in the game for a reason, so use it.

This is the casual mindset people need to avoid taking into consideration. Why would you forcefully make people spend twice as long in something that can be done in 12-13mins instead of 30+minutes. This is the kind of mentality that brings more casual toxicity in the community which doesn't need it. "Healers are not a dps" yes they are actually, you would know if you played one. My time on earth is limited and I'll be damned if I have to deal with a tank that wants to act like a gearless bard.

[Gullis]

Single pulling is a waste of both the tank and healer role, as you don't need either of them at that point. Unless the tank is criminally undergeared, there is no reason to not w2w

[Absurdity]

This is the casual mindset people need to avoid taking into consideration.

It's not even a casual mindset, unless NA is somehow vastly different. The average casual on EU does W2W pulls just fine.

[JuicyHeals]

If a tank can't and or won't W2W Pull, then there isn't even a reason for them to be there.

[ThorneDynasty]

The perfect answer is just asking at the start of the dungeon something like:
"Hello there! Hey, how comfortable do you feel about <X> ?"
"<Y>" or "<Z>" Response
"Cool. Let's give it a go"
And progress through from there.

I know the trope/joke for WoW players coming over is they don't communicate at all (even though this has happened before they've arrived), but really communication is key. The WoL might have echo past/mind seeing powers, but you sure don't.

Literally no one actually wants to bother with this every single run, when it's almost certain everyone already agrees from a quick look at their character sheet and gear. I've no idea why people keep posturing with this "communication you guys!" stuff when you know full well it's annoying having to ask a permission to what is tantamount to simply playing the game.

Just ask when you know you want to do something vastly different from what 99% of the player base prefers.

[SalamanderIX]

Because the skill level in this game has increased so much, that far more people just know how easy dungeons in this game is. You don't even need a healer to wall to wall, at least in non-arr dungeons. Even some of the ARR dungeons can be tanked by a healer or a melee running bloodbath.

So a healer or melee can ninja pull, and they don't even have to worry about "pull it you tank it", they can tank such pitiful damage having small amounts of sustain for themselves.

The object is speed afterall, Tanks who pull slowly because they are afraid of dying and losing time. But the amount of times a party could wipe doing wall to walls is still far less time than single pulling the entire time. Most are forgiving of new tanks and will calmly explain to them. but tanks who are 80+? they should know this.