Pulling why?

[Shakiness5972]

The tank doesn’t have the right to force the party to go slow by your own logic

Someone need to decide the pace of the party, and by default is always the Tank who will decide. A Healer or DPS, they can of course too if they work really hard to be annoying, but yes, they can as well.

Now, lets say Tank feel more comfortable to do w2w because it's how he play the game, it's not against a rule of the game to do it. A player can politely ask to speed up the pace but in the end, a player should not force his own pace on another players. if a player don't like it, he can be asked to be kick or leave or do duty support system.

In the end, when a party get created, who is leading the team is Tank...Get use to it.

I try to clear dungeons in 10 minutes and not in 30 minutes,
Pull like a man and not like a little girl.

Pull like a man? So we need 'Man up' to play this game by your own standards? Soo toxin..yikes...

[Mayhemmer]

In the end, when a party get created, who is leading the team is Tank...Get use to it too.

False.

And also bait.

[MitsukiKimura]

Someone need to decide the pace of the party, and by default is always the Tank who will decide. A Healer or DPS, they can of course too if they work really hard to be annoying, but yes, they can as well.

Now, lets say Tank feel more comfortable to do w2w because it's how he play the game, it's not against a rule of the game to do it. A player can politely ask to speed up the pace but in the end, a player should not force his own pace on another players. if a player don't like it, he can be asked to be kick or leave or do duty support system.

In the end, when a party get created, who is leading the team is Tank...Get use to it.



Pull like a man? So we need 'Man up' to play this game by your own standards? Soo toxin..yikes...

If you want to pull 3 mobs at a time, there's the trust system for your specific needs. Don't "Force" your snail pace on other people through casual content. DPS can do your job better

[Shakiness5972]

If you want to pull 3 mobs at a time, there's the trust system for your specific needs. Don't "Force" your snail pace on other people through casual content. DPS can do your job better

So,you only option is forcing the tank playing by your own standards and if he not he should not join a party? Well, it can be said the same thing to you, don't like the pace, leave or be a tank.

In the end, none should play the game by others players standers, because they have decided how other should do and play.

[Supersnow845]

So,you only option is forcing the tank playing by your own standards and if he not he should not join a party? Well, it can be said the same thing to you, don't like the pace, leave or be a tank.

In the end, none should play the game by others players standers, because they have decided how other should do and play.

“None should play the game by others standards”……unless it’s me as the tank in which play play by my standards because I’m the leader or something

[Jidka]

Here's my philosophy:
- If you want to w2w, discuss with your group.
- If you want to not w2w, discuss with your group.
- If you want to impose the rhythm or want to not discuss, use the duty support.

[Espon]

Here's my philosophy:
- If you want to w2w, discuss with your group.
- If you want to not w2w, discuss with your group.
- If you want to impose the rhythm or want to not discuss, use the duty support.

I'm not going to ask the group if they want me to do wall-to-wall pulls when 99% of the time the answer is going to be "yes."

If the healer wants me to go slower because they're new to their job, I may consider it on more threatening packs in certain levelling dungeons, but it's not the end of the world if they need to throw a GCD heal or two since it's still faster if me and the DPS are AoEing multiple packs.

[AstreMcClain]

Here's my philosophy:
- If you want to w2w, discuss with your group.
- If you want to not w2w, discuss with your group.
- If you want to impose the rhythm or want to not discuss, use the duty support.

I 100% agree! It's a roulette, if you want to run w2w- get with friends, we have the tools for speedy runs like linkshells, friend's lists, etc etc. Don't get upset at some "Expected" norm that people seem to deem "the best thing ever!"

I'll start giving my coms to tanks when they don't w2w. I've been giving them to DPS because of this mindset lately.

[MitsukiKimura]

So,you only option is forcing the tank playing by your own standards and if he not he should not join a party? Well, it can be said the same thing to you, don't like the pace, leave or be a tank.

In the end, none should play the game by others players standers, because they have decided how other should do and play.

Ironic statement. Do the community a favor and be a real tank. I can play reaper and wall to wall pull with a healer just comfy. Why cant you?

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Someone need to decide the pace of the party, and by default is always the Tank who will decide.

At first, you are right, because if the tank is horribly underequiped (Especially in low level dungeon, such as Stone Vigil for exemple), they can take quite a lot of damage even with Defensive cooldown up, so the healers can't maintain them, let's be real, the Healer kit at low level is pretty much empty, you barely have 2-3 heal at best and they are always casted, so if monster does more damage than what the healer is capable of while spamming his best heal, it's death. (Last corridor of Stone vigil with 6 ice elementals + 3-4 dragons is Horrible to maintain if your team don't have the right kit)

Now that it's said, let me get it straight. The first person who can decide to pull more or not is the Tank DEPENDING on his stuff (This is more the case in low level dungeon and leveling dungeon through various expansion than 50/60/70/80/90 dungeon that are at the end of an extension). If the tank is HORRIBLY understuff, he will probably pull less than what we see usually. How to correct that ? Simple. Don't go under stuffed inside a low level dungeon, try to keep stuff up to date. Read a guide if you don't know what you are doing with your tank. This is what we call a bug inside the Chair-Keyboard Interface (If you see what is between the two).

If the tank is correctly equipped, Their is little to no reason to pull one pack after another instead of W2W. Now, if the healer isn't stuffed either, you can't sustain it (Unless you are a War at least level 56 with Intuition). So the healer may ASK you to pull more or less depending on how he manage your health. Of course, We are on a MMORPG with lot of different people. But one thing doesn't change, we have to communicate between each other. There will always be difference in term of what people expect or how skilled they are. One things that is true is : "You can't force people to play a way they don't like". Everyone has to be open minded because it's just a game, especially in casual content (Self explanatory, CASUAL CONTENT, not High-End Content). Not playing fast in a dungeon isn't a fatality, you will clear it anyway, no matter what happens. Playing in Savage or Ultimate with one person slowing down the team on a progression or a kill, that's a entire different matter and I can understand that, because we all want to kill the 4th stage as fast as possible when the content is unlocked to get our BiS/Mount/Orchestrion etc...

Overall, I think their two different issue inside Dungeon.

The first is Tank NOT pulling when they can and the second is DPS/Healer pulling when they SHOULDN'T.

Tank NOT pulling when they can is kinda self explanatory. They have the stuff, they have the skills... You know what I mean.

DPS/Healer SHOULD NOT pull when the tank is already going to pull. You have 0 Reason to pull before a Tank who is CLEARLY going to aggro more trash mob. The only things that you can get is to be destroyed because of some Trash mobs Double auto attack AND/OR Tank not reacting fast enough or missing his AoE when the pack is moving towards him (Yeah I know, it's not hard to not miss, but people miss that sometimes). This will cause the Healer to heal unnecessary damage and can lead to the DPS death because of some raidwide done by trashmobs if they survived at first (It's a rare occasion to see that, but some mob in certain dungeon actually do raidwide). Trying to get faster to gain 2-3 seconds can actually lead to a loss in time if you just die this way. So you loose more time than you try to gain. Also, If you don't have time for yourself, don't tag a dungeon/raid/trial. DPS/Healer also shouldn't pull when the tank is heavily underequipped or a completely new player who is trying to tank for the first time ever inside a game (You will only make him panic, yes Tanxiety is a real thing)

Now, what about the YPYT mentality. This was clearly a thing back on WoW because of how Trashmobs in dungeon really hit HARD and how aggro worked at the time (It was a long time ago, back on WOTLK). But here, letting your DPS or healer die because of this will only punish you too. It's not only a matter of "time" but also how certain people in the community will see you after the dungeon (Especially those who just want to speedclear anything with anyone.) So how do I react to people pulling before me inside a dungeon when I'm a tank ? Simple. I shut my mouth, finish the dungeon, and just blacklist the player who is just trying to gain mere seconds by pulling like crazy (even when i'm clearly going to pull anyway) or use Rescue on me so I can reach the next pack faster (Like I said, MERE SECONDS) because he doesn't have the time to play with random people trying to enjoy the game without stress.

Making random people play like you want without consent, is like going outside, asking a random person to follow you and that person has nothing to say or an opinion to give.

As a Tank, it's your job to pull, but it's also your responsibility to SAY IT when you want to pull less for some reason. People can always agree or disagree with you, it's doesn't change the fact that you warned your teammates. At least that.