XIV EW Job-Gameplay is Terrible... Why?

[dspguy]

All tanks play roughly the same, more or less. You can configure your hotbars to the point where you could pick one of four tank jobs and with just a minor modification, play any of them above average. There's really nothing to it. Healer is roughly the same deal as tank. Spam your only AOE or single target damage spell or your DoT. Use oGCD heals and GCD heals when necessary or when the BLM makes the healer adjust. DPS has the most variety, but it is ultimately "build gauge, spend gauge" for most of them.

The reason why it is the way it is boils down to the job balance that SE has strived a decade to address. They want your job choice to be a preference as opposed to a forced decision. As time went on, they further embraced jobs all falling into that burst window. It used to be that some of the harder to play jobs had the benefit that a well-played BLM or SAM would out-DPS the rest of the field by a large enough margin that every raid group simply demanded a BLM or SAM as well as a NIN to synergize the burst window. But to bring everyone else in line, they were pretty much forced to make every job fairly "vanilla."

This will continue as long as SE keeps the tank, healer, DPS trifecta. And they've gone down this path for so long that we can't expect that to actually change. They'd have to redo a huge swath of earlier content to introduce any sort of legitimate support job. Instead of getting "real buffs" we get watered down buffs. Crowd control is non-existent. Every job can solo open-world content (hunts aside), so there's no value in introducing an actual "solo" job.

I'm not down on the game, even if it sounds like it. I play the game for entertainment. My days of playing first generation MMOs like EQ1 are long gone. I don't have that sort of time anymore. I've accepted that FFXIV is what it is. When they come out the new DPS jobs, it'll just be a different flavor of vanilla, but still vanilla.

[DrWho2010]

make things too hard, people balk at it. (re: launch Orbonne, The Burn, etc)

people that play at ultimate level play the game too well, so they're bored.

savage is still difficult for some people not because they can't do it, it's because they can't do it correctly consistently. trying to continue to farm P12S with a slightly different setup group from my usual static has been awful because people make too many damn mistakes and then raid night is over without success from too many bad pulls.

so I think the level of gameplay is just fine. some tweaks should be made for ilvl sync in my opinion.

[Nizzi]

people that play at ultimate level play the game too well, so they're bored.

I'm not bored because I play healer in Ultimates, I'm bored because I did what Yoshida asked me to do and it still didn't make playing healer fun. Perhaps they need to actually address the issue instead of going "uhh do harder content" and then "well of course you're bored you're doing the peak of content in the game :^)" when that content is the same terrible gameplay loop except with harder mechanics?

But what do I know, clearly the devs at SE have thought spamming 1 GCD for 80%+ of our entire GCD presses over an 18+ minute encounter is such good design that all 4 jobs in the role deserve the exact same gameplay loop. I hope DT brings this to tanks and to DPS too because it's such a winning formula that I really really want you all to have it too so we can all have the most fun possible

[Niroken]

savage is still difficult for some people not because they can't do it, it's because they can't do it correctly consistently. trying to continue to farm P12S with a slightly different setup group from my usual static has been awful because people make too many damn mistakes and then raid night is over without success from too many bad pulls.

so I think the level of gameplay is just fine. some tweaks should be made for ilvl sync in my opinion.

Haven't tried Savage level content since Coil and I loved those fights. I suddenly decided I was going to start raiding again starting in P9S and suddenly there are like three different ways to do the mechanics and way more stuff to memorize. After a couple days of attempts I didn't find it fun and never went back.

[DPZ2]

dont expect it to get better because we're gonna have like 50 jobs at some point

At the current rate of job expansion, and using a 2-year expansion release, they'll certainly hit 50 ... in 2054.

I mostly agree with your assessment of current generation gaming. Not sure about Lord of the Rings Online, but I got stuck in the Mines of Moria and never moved on.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

A lot of people seem to forget that there are some players who just like playing 1 job due to aesthetics, gameplay style, and lore. And it’s good to have options to suit your needs. I just don’t know why people have to complain about the different options we have the ability to choose and pick.

[Supersnow845]

A lot of people seem to forget that there are some players who just like playing 1 job due to aesthetics, gameplay style, and lore. And it’s good to have options to suit your needs. I just don’t know why people have to complain about the different options we have the ability to choose and pick.

Because for some of us (such as healer mains) every single option we get to pick between is equally garbage, there is no choice because there is no “good” option

[Naraku_Diabolos]

Because for some of us (such as healer mains) every single option we get to pick between is equally garbage, there is no choice because there is no “good” option

I actually like it that some healers have similar abilities and spells. It makes it easier to play or try out. Remember, FFXIV is a very accessible MMORPG. Sure, it can be brain dead easy with mechanics or simplified classes, but this game is made to draw in a ton of people. Look at WoW and how difficult and stupid it is for new players; WoW is literally a bad game because they expect you to know everything before playing the game, even the toxic playerbase. The reason the FFXIV is way more easy going is be the game is FUN and people like helping people. Only toxicity and boredom is what a small percentage of players have in how they play or in their mindset.

[Supersnow845]

I actually like it that some healers have similar abilities and spells. It makes it easier to play or try out. Remember, FFXIV is a very accessible MMORPG. Sure, it can be brain dead easy with mechanics or simplified classes, but this game is made to draw in a ton of people. Look at WoW and how difficult and stupid it is for new players; WoW is literally a bad game because they expect you to know everything before playing the game, even the toxic playerbase. The reason the FFXIV is way more easy going is be the game is FUN and people like helping people. Only toxicity and boredom is what a small percentage of players have in how they play or in their mindset.

I never expected that comment of all comments to be twisted into WOW bad 14 good but here we are