SCH idea that tries to blend old and new SCH

[Supersnow845]

Now I certainly wouldn’t be the first to offer suggestions on changing a healer but I’ve noticed that a lot of suggestions offered while really good basically begin with mostly nuking the existing class from orbit. So I’d like to offer a SCH suggestion that won’t feel foreign to shadowbringers babies but also might evoke a bit of feeling of old SCH

Note I’m not including potencies here

1) miasma 2 (in its original form) and shadowflare (or equivalent new skills) are returned, shadowflare retains its old conflict with sacred soil but now rather than costing aetherflow it costs a large amount of mana (1000) and has a CD of 30 seconds (it does not put sacred soil on CD just overwrite each other)

2) Selene is returned as a unique fairy, Selene has two abilities
A) fey wind- in combat peloton movement boost and auto attack reduction party buff
B) fey caress- AOE esuna and mitigation
These buttons would share a button and CD with whispering dawn and fey illumination respectively

3) for 50 fey gauge you can activate an oGCD summon of the fairy you don’t currently have summoned, they does not affect the CD of the two shared actions

4) sacred soil loses its regen effect and recitation loses the ability to crit indom, in exchange recitation can crit fey caress or fey illumination to up the mitigation from 5% to 15%

5) deployment tactics gains the ability to deploy chain

6) when using energy drain under the effect of dissipation gain a stacking buff that increases healing oGCD potency by 5% for each stack, when dissipation expires buff is converted into fairy gauge, energy drain uses under the effect of dissipation will restore 500 MP

7) summon seraph is replaced with rouse that becomes consolation, seraphs actual mechanisms are unaffected but the demi no longer exists

8) to compensate from the button space taken up by 1 fey blessing is deleted and protraction becomes a “protraction ready” buff that applies upon the use of recitation for use with critlo or critcog

Any other button not mentioned (adlo, succor, physick, lustrate, whispering dawn, fey illumination, fey covenant, indom, ruin 2, biolysis, broil 4, aetherflow, emergency tactics and energy drain) remain unaffected

I feel like this design strikes the right balance of not leaving behind people who started with ShB SCH but returns some of the old HW complexity without a lot of its old Clunk and still provides some fun and interesting optimisation

Overall what do you think, you can be honest, I know I tend to yell alot on the healer forums without actually providing my own ideas so I thought I would offer something of how I think

[rawker]

What if Lilly can switch between Eos and Selene just like how HW AST with Noct and Diurnal Sect?

Summon button changes to Form Shift(Eos) or Form Shift (Selene), depending on which form Lilly is currently on or if it is summoned at all.

And yes, ditch Seraph (make her glamour, instead) and bring back Rouse.

[Supersnow845]

What if Lilly can switch between Eos and Selene just like how HW AST with Noct and Diurnal Sect?

Summon button changes to Form Shift(Eos) or Form Shift (Selene), depending on which form Lilly is currently on or if it is summoned at all.

And yes, ditch Seraph (make her glamour, instead) and bring back Rouse.

In my idea the option to flip them on the GCD would still be there as “summon eos” and “summon Selene” that costs mana and a GCD the 50 fairy gauge flip would just exist to dodge that cost

That way if you are in Selene and realise you suddenly need eos you can still flip without fairy gauge but it forces you to drop damage for it, kinda working within the post ShB philosophy of “the fail state is dropping damage to heal”

[UkcsAlias]

And yes, ditch Seraph (make her glamour, instead) and bring back Rouse.

Keep seraph, but extend the capabilities. The switch button can easily be reused for seraphs own abilities. Even dissipation can benefit from that, and suddenly you have 3 buttons that can be used to cast things while its up. Surely you can do something with that to empower it. Its makes seraph future proof as there is enough room to add a feature to it.

And as extra abilities next to consolation seraph can be given:
For dissipation i can imagine this alternative:
- An ability to grant an aetherflow charge (with for example, 5s cooldown - giving 5 uses), and optionaly even an additional effect. And this cooldown could be affected through trait upgrades so it for example starts at 10s cooldown.

And for eos/selene swapping i can even imagine 3 options:
- An new ability to consumes a aetherflow charges to grant the team a buff or the enemy a debuff (which is where the other button gives this effectively for free).
- The ability to switch the consolation mode to either be a heal, or a team resistance buff (at again the cost of aetherflow).
- A button to consume fey union charge to boost seraphs uptime and grant another consolation charge.

Its at least some additional burst interaction (potential extra dps output and team effects). Which when (if) the 2minute meta gets killed doesnt instantly mean its benefits are lost.

So yeah, there are a lot of ways to add more interaction and complexity on that end, it would be a waste to throw that away.

[Supersnow845]

Rouse replacing seraph is more around getting rid of the annoyance of summoning a Demi messing up the action queue, rouse as seraph is still fine to have enhanced functionality there is just no reason for seraph to exist as an independent entity that takes 3 seconds to summon and interrupts eos’s action queue

[rawker]

Rouse replacing seraph is more around getting rid of the annoyance of summoning a Demi messing up the action queue, rouse as seraph is still fine to have enhanced functionality there is just no reason for seraph to exist as an independent entity that takes 3 seconds to summon and interrupts eos’s action queue

Demis on SCH in general felt forced, to be honest.

[Aravell]

1) While I like old Shadowflare, I think they could spice it up a bit more by rewarding good usage of the ability. Like maybe Sacred Soil granting a barrier instead of mitigation, then if the barrier is completely consumed, the Sacred Soil field will transform into an enhanced Shadowflare field for 20s, and if the enhanced Shadowflare successfully deals at least 80% of its potency, you get a buff that makes the next Shadowflare cast do its full damage up front and also be instant (like Thundercloud).

2) Not much to say here, unique fairies is nice to have.

3) I think you can get the same effect and also change a skill that a lot of people have issue with by reworking Dissipation. Make it dissipate the fairy for 15s and then resummon as the opposite aspect.

4) Fair on the first part. As for the second part, I don't think they can make Recitation (a buff on you) affect skills on the fairy (who is a separate entity). I think if you want something to buff fairy stuff, wouldn't Rouse work?

5) Wouldn't mind this, but I'd personally rather see Chain get reworked. It is a rather boring buff.

6) I guess this is to buff Indom or Lustrate after using Dissipation? I guess it would get rid of the complaints, but I think it would get rid of the niche usage of Dissipation and would just be worked into your standard plan with this change.

7) Yes. Please. Get rid of Seraph, it takes too long to activate and it ghosts fairy abilities that you use too close to summoning it and it leaving.

8) Don't really agree with this. I'm probably one of the few people who use Protraction for more than just buffing a crit Adlo, so this change would just be reducing my options.

Overall, these changes don't really seem to change much for veterans. It seems to just basically be addressing common complaints about Dissipation and making some minor moves to make the SCH kit more interesting by returning some old stuff, but it does also limit niche uses of their skills somewhat.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

1. I never had any firsthand experience with how old Miasma II and Shadowflare played in their golden days, so I won't know for sure. They doesn't seem to be unlikeable though, especially when compared to today's kits lol.

2 & 3. Assuming they do not share their counterpart's cooldown, I can already see moments where a SCH have to bite the loss of GCD when they need X ability but have the opposite fae summoned assuming they planned incorrectly. I like this.

4. I can get behind the idea of losing guaranteed crit on Recitability if I can get more option on how to use Recitation itself.

5. A plus overall. But ultimately dead on ST setting.

6. Indifferent. If there's anything that I dislike about SCH since my day starting from 5.2, it's the fact that I accumulate fae gauge from using heals and/or dump mechanism. Having the gauge solely to be Union's battery also adds insult to the injury so I guess by having 2nd use of swapping the fae would've alleviate that? I have no ways to know that lol.

7. I wouldn't have any issue w/ Seraph if they wouldn't have that atrocious delay. Otherwise yes please, I'd rather have substance over flashes.

8. Protraction is one of those abilities that I don't really dislike that they exist, but I also couldn't help but think they sounded like SE's way of saying "Hey, so we've heard you want more engaging buttons that we surely don't want to add, but we also don't want you to yell at us for -totally ignoring- y'all so here's one random thing for you to play with. Please look forward to it lol." That being said...

[...]8) Don't really agree with this. I'm probably one of the few people who use Protraction for more than just buffing a crit Adlo, so this change would just be reducing my options[...]

I'm with Aravell about Protraction. Unironically also a great button to empower Union's already strong, bank-able regen. I just wish they're more interesting and/or interacts more with the rest of the kit. Say, maybe make it deployable... that's one of the thing that came to my mind on the fly.

[Supersnow845]

1) While I like old Shadowflare, I think they could spice it up a bit more by rewarding good usage of the ability. Like maybe Sacred Soil granting a barrier instead of mitigation, then if the barrier is completely consumed, the Sacred Soil field will transform into an enhanced Shadowflare field for 20s, and if the enhanced Shadowflare successfully deals at least 80% of its potency, you get a buff that makes the next Shadowflare cast do its full damage up front and also be instant (like Thundercloud).

2) Not much to say here, unique fairies is nice to have.

3) I think you can get the same effect and also change a skill that a lot of people have issue with by reworking Dissipation. Make it dissipate the fairy for 15s and then resummon as the opposite aspect.

4) Fair on the first part. As for the second part, I don't think they can make Recitation (a buff on you) affect skills on the fairy (who is a separate entity). I think if you want something to buff fairy stuff, wouldn't Rouse work?

5) Wouldn't mind this, but I'd personally rather see Chain get reworked. It is a rather boring buff.

6) I guess this is to buff Indom or Lustrate after using Dissipation? I guess it would get rid of the complaints, but I think it would get rid of the niche usage of Dissipation and would just be worked into your standard plan with this change.

7) Yes. Please. Get rid of Seraph, it takes too long to activate and it ghosts fairy abilities that you use too close to summoning it and it leaving.

8) Don't really agree with this. I'm probably one of the few people who use Protraction for more than just buffing a crit Adlo, so this change would just be reducing my options.

Overall, these changes don't really seem to change much for veterans. It seems to just basically be addressing common complaints about Dissipation and making some minor moves to make the SCH kit more interesting by returning some old stuff, but it does also limit niche uses of their skills somewhat.

The idea behind it using fey gauge is because dissipation is a DPS gain so if you are organising your energy drain you shouldn’t be forced to swap the fairy’s if you don’t want to, if you want to stay in Selene for example that option should be available to you, I thought about dissipation giving you the ability to resummon either fairy but they you have to deal with the old HW problem of having to resummon the fairy after the dissipation

Completely fair on the recitation part I’d have to look into if that’s actually possible

And that’s fair on it not changing too much, I wanted this to sort of be a half half option, it would still return 3 more damage options but with SCH’s bloat it has to give somewhere, thanks for your feedback