Krile and Pictomancer

[Tint]

something about her personality.. its just not really the "artsy" kinda type, it lacks the lighhearted bubblyness that youde think would be needed to take up pictomancy.

Aren't artists usually silent and depressed? Sitting alone at home, being shy and express themself through their art instead of an outgoing personality? I think it could suit her well if played right.

I am just sad that we don't have a White Mage anymore in the main cast.

But at least her Cat Ear Hood, which is traditionally seen as an iconic White Mage item, seems has been introduced in FF6 as a headpiece for Relm - a Pictomancer. Closing the circle I guess.

[sindriiisgaming]

Aren't artists usually silent and depressed? Sitting alone at home, being shy and express themself through their art instead of an outgoing personality?

having worked with other artists, studied in art school and frequently attended artist alleys to both sell work and mingle with fellow artists, no. this is really just not accurate. most artists are very overworked, stressed but allways bubbly and happy to meet new ppl. we love it when people like the same games/anime/characters or even artists that we do, and can easily talk for hours to one person about it at a stall or online. this idea were all just depressed silant types is so wierd since art is literally a therapy we use to express ourselves and keep our spirits high, a place we channel love and passion, devotion and sometimes obsession. ive allways felt like those kinda of people are just inherintly like that, like a path in life they choose to go down, not one thats deeply intermingled with art. my art for example is vibrant, bright expressive and striking. i paint flowers and nature mostly, when im not drawing manga-style art. i really feel like its not common you meet a broody dark artist

[Raikai]

The issue is the vibe of the job being 'cute with the things they draw' and Krile never really had this side.

It could work, though, if it was an actual character development. Krile learning how to be a bit less serious while training Pictomancy. In fact, even the actual job development would be a desirable thing to see, especially when Krile wants to be more resourceful, but sadly this seems to be something resolved offscreen.

Ideally, for me, Pictomancer's theme could lean a bit more 'neutral' so it wouldn't be so niche. What if my WoL is a brooding artist lol?

[Iscah]

The issue is the vibe of the job being 'cute with the things they draw' and Krile never really had this side.

It could work, though, if it was an actual character development. Krile learning how to be a bit less serious while training Pictomancy.

People keep saying "Krile has always been so serious" like she didn't make her grand entrance by teasing Alphinaud about his school days, or trick Estinien into thinking she had blackmail material on him (read the side stories, it was hilarious).

Also, she's had a lot of fairly serious things happen to her – her grandfather and most of her colleagues died, her home island is an aether-blasted ruin on the wrong side of the planet, Raha (one of her few surviving friends) was for some time presumed "gone forever" locked in the Crystal Tower, her other good friend Minfilia really is gone forever; while recovering from all of these things she got captured and experimented on by the Garleans, was tasked with caring for the comatose Scions and then had the stress and responsibility of sorting things out in Sharlayan while Hydaelyn urgently tries to get into her head. Plus the whole impending end-of-the-world business.

Right now a lot of that is turning a corner – the bits that can, anyway – as she starts to get the Students of Baldesion back online with support from Raha, Ojika and Erenville. She has a chance to step back and think more about what she actually wants to be doing, and there's nothing to suggest that learning pictomancy is at odds with her character.

[Turnintino]

This isn't really directed at OP as much as it is to a few of the other comments I've seen, but... I don't think Krile is particularly stoic or serious. She's serious when the situation calls for it, absolutely -- and there's been a lot of that throughout her appearances because there just isn't a shit-ton of levity in the MSQ in general lol. But imo, she has such 'big sister' energy; mature, but playful and sensitive and good-humored. One of her earliest scenes was with Thancred, where she's trying to break the ice with friendly jokes and jabs in the middle of a reconnaissance mission, and she has to tell him to lighten up. She wears a pastel yellow cat-ear hood. She has a side-pony.

I agree that she wouldn't have been my first guess for Pictomancer, and the fact that she would no doubt be the one to pick up DT's new caster job was one of the main reasons I expected something like Green Mage. But... the fact of the matter is that we don't really know her that well yet, and the groundwork is there, laid as early as Heavensward. She clearly loves cutesy shit, and I don't think it's a stretch to say the girl has some whimsy in her -- more than the MSQ usually allows her, but nonetheless.

[Gemina]

Krile can be a serious person and still enjoy painting cute things. And she's not that super serious anyway – not in a way that rules her out of possibly suiting the job.

People keep saying "Krile has always been so serious" like she didn't make her grand entrance by teasing Alphinaud about his school days, or trick Estinien into thinking she had blackmail material on him (read the side stories, it was hilarious).

Just because a character exhibits a more playful side, that doesn't remove the seriousness of their personality. All the Scions, including Y'shtola and Eistenien have broken character to show a lighter side to themselves. Based on this merit, any of them could be used for Pictomancer. Krile's qualifications stem from her being a Lalafell. That's really about it.

Also, she's had a lot of fairly serious things happen to her – her grandfather and most of her colleagues died, her home island is an aether-blasted ruin on the wrong side of the planet, Raha (one of her few surviving friends) was for some time presumed "gone forever" locked in the Crystal Tower, her other good friend Minfilia really is gone forever; while recovering from all of these things she got captured and experimented on by the Garleans, was tasked with caring for the comatose Scions and then had the stress and responsibility of sorting things out in Sharlayan while Hydaelyn urgently tries to get into her head. Plus the whole impending end-of-the-world business.

Right now a lot of that is turning a corner – the bits that can, anyway – as she starts to get the Students of Baldesion back online with support from Raha, Ojika and Erenville. She has a chance to step back and think more about what she actually wants to be doing, and there's nothing to suggest that learning pictomancy is at odds with her character.

This is all very traumatic and Krile's means of coping with her past and moving on from it.

Relm's past is an interesting backstory as well. Iirc, she lost her mother around the age of six, and her father who was later confirmed to be Shadow left her to be raised by Strago, who was a friend of Relm's mother and not her biological grandfather. He did this in order to protect her identity from the bandits who pursued him. Then there are the events that unfold in FFVI itself, which includes Kefka destroying the known world, and the death of Shadow, her father (the player decides if this happens, but I feel this is the true outcome). Suffice to say, the cute and childish nature of the Pictomancer job doesn't exempt them from having really bad things happen to them.

All that being said, the question remains if Pictomancer fits in the world of FFXIV? I don't think it does. It fits in a FF world filled with cute, cartoonish characters like FFVI or FFIX. At least with what we have seen. To fit in the world of FFXIV, it would need to adopt an aesthetic that doesn't make it feel like only a Lala can pull it off.

[Iscah]

All that being said, the question remains if Pictomancer fits in the world of FFXIV? I don't think it does. It fits in a FF world filled with cute, cartoonish characters like FFVI or FFIX. At least with what we have seen. To fit in the world of FFXIV, it would need to adopt an aesthetic that doesn't make it feel like only a Lala can pull it off.

Pictomancer is going to fit perfectly well into the world of moogle sky-kingdoms, Namazu festivals, time-travelling axolotls and whose oh-so-wise pseudogoddess decided that the best thing to help people through the impending apocalypse was a horde of adorable bunny rabbits of questionable competence.

And I think non-Lalafells will be fine at the pictomancer vibe. Yes, it will probably work best with characters who (regardless of race) suit a cutesy style, but a single character can pull off so many different moods while only changing their outfit, and in any case it's no different to reaper requiring an edgy mood or sage being cool and collected or any other stereotypes you might want to associate with past races.

Personally I'm itching to play around with it on most of my characters, like my cute male Miqo'te and Viera and my very girly Roegadyn; I've also put together a few costumes in advance including some more serious Renaissance artist sort of vibe that will suit my Elezen, so I think it's quite possible to get a glamour look away from the cute style regardless of what the attacks are going to be like.

We can also count from the existing dungeons that there are going to be a range of weapon styles. It needs one to fit in with all the Endwalker dungeons like the Garlean steampunk weapons, elaborate Palaka and gothic Ktiseos.

And ultimately, if Krile only suits it because she's a Lalafell, so what? She is a Lalafell, so it's fine and she'll make it work.

[Gemina]

Pictomancer is going to fit perfectly well into the world of moogle sky-kingdoms, Namazu festivals, time-travelling axolotls and whose oh-so-wise pseudogoddess decided that the best thing to help people through the impending apocalypse was a horde of adorable bunny rabbits of questionable competence.

*sigh*

Let me see if I can be a little more specific. Moogles are staple to the FF franchise, and tribe likes the Namazu and Loporitts while cute, fit into the lore of their respective areas. Right there, I just described how these specific tribes fit into the world of FFXIV. They are their own entities that don't rely on arguments based on the existence of other cutesy things in FFXIV to justify their place. So again I ask you, how does Pictomancer fit in? Especially in regards to their battle effects.

I'm not saying they can't exist. I am saying they don't fit in. I am saying the dev team could have done a WAY better job when it comes to bringing this job into the game. Even more emphasis is placed on this because no one was asking for this job. Players were wanting Geomancer, Green Mage, Necromancer, or Chemist in which three of these mentions already have existing lore in FFXIV.
You're going to have to do a little better than, "Well, I like it."

And I think non-Lalafells will be fine at the pictomancer vibe. Yes, it will probably work best with characters who (regardless of race) suit a cutesy style, but a single character can pull off so many different moods while only changing their outfit, and in any case it's no different to reaper requiring an edgy mood or sage being cool and collected or any other stereotypes you might want to associate with past races.

Sure. I never said the job is Lala specific. Only that they will have the easiest time pulling off the aesthetic. Midlanders, Miqo'te, and Viera (both sexes) can also pull off Pictomancer reasonably well. I think even male Hrothgars could do it. However, the cartoony battle effects remain the same regardless of which race/gender is playing the job. But this is neither here nor there. Krile's personality does not fit the aesthetic. It does not fit the role. She is being shoehorned in because she is a Lalafell, not because it seems like a natural transition.

Y'shtola changing to BLM/Sorceress makes sense due to her magical background and personality. Thancred changing from Rogue to Gunbreaker due to his protective nature over Ryne/Minfillia makes sense (Ryne herself even takes after him and learns the ways of the Rogue). Alphy and Alisaie's job changes also are very natural and fitting transitions. You say Krile will make it work. I hope you're right. Because everything about her screams that she's a healer. She's as much a healer as Estenien is a Dragoon. It's difficult to imagine them any other way.

Personally I'm itching to play around with it on most of my characters, like my cute male Miqo'te and Viera and my very girly Roegadyn; I've also put together a few costumes in advance including some more serious Renaissance artist sort of vibe that will suit my Elezen, so I think it's quite possible to get a glamour look away from the cute style regardless of what the attacks are going to be like.

That's fine. I don't take issue with players who are excited about the job coming to the game. My issue is with the job itself, and the dev team could have, and should have done better.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Pictomancer is going to fit perfectly well into the world of moogle sky-kingdoms, Namazu festivals, time-travelling axolotls and whose oh-so-wise pseudogoddess decided that the best thing to help people through the impending apocalypse was a horde of adorable bunny rabbits of questionable competence.

lol yes! I for one am going to have a great time being a magical painter girl with my bestie Krile!

Even though I was expecting Green Mage for her, I think she’ll be great as a Pictomancer. And I’ve been excited to see what they do with her since they said she’d have a bigger role. I’ve always liked her. Definitely leveling Pictomancer first thing after I finish the DT MSQ.

[wereotter]

Didn't seem any more forced than any other character's job changes over previous expansions to me. Like Thancred going from a stealth recon expert to a tank because....we needed a tank for Trusts and that's about it.

This is actually not that big a change for him, but you wouldn't know this if you didn't start the game in Ul'Dah. He actually started off there as a gladiator before changing to rogue when ninja came out in patch 2.4