RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

[Gordita]

Not necessarily true (referring to my underlined comment). Hunts mainly operate over Discord/hunt linkshells. It's way easier to ping mass amounts of people in a server/have someone relay the message through linkshells than rely on shout chat to get the message across considering how large the hunt community has become (due in part to how the quickest route to getting EW relics done is by spamming trains for tomes). Now that cross-DC has become a thing, it's even more useful so people can be quickly notified for trains on other DCs compared to just their own. Discord might be a sore subject for some but it's ultimately just more efficient now an you can always go the linkshell route if you want a completely in-game option for hunts that won't be cluttered by spam.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I said venue ads have taken over shout and you say that's not true because hunts use discord. What? The you proceed to talk about trains ... Relics... Cross DC... What does any of that have to do with shout ads taking over shout chat? This just looks like an attempted derailment and topic change to start veering off course again.
If you're suggesting that players use a second device and/or program to miss less hunts, that's not a solution to the spam in shout chat, that merely enables more of it. And I'm unsure as to why people are trying to hyperfixate on hunts, probably because it seems like the easiest thing on the long list of things that are disrupted to find a "solution" to but none of that changes the fact that shout ads are a problem and something needs to be done about it. Even people who have some here to argue and be immature, without realizing it, have confirmed the problem. Not that it needs extra confirmation, it's a well known fact that it's out of hand.
This morning I pitched this idea that I've suggested to a venue owner, and they were in love with it. So I can't make sense of why people are trying to argue against having something more efficient and effective to use. There's literally no logical reason behind it, only people arguing for the sake of it. Must be American culture , argue about left and right. I don't get it. Here's a solution. Fight it or embrace and support it

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Shout ads are a direct violation of this part of the tos, and people don't have the right to tell people their gameplay isn't disrupted, if a person feels it's disrupted

[Ravenblade1979]

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Shout ads are a direct violation of this part of the tos, and people don't have the right to tell people their gameplay isn't disrupted, if a person feels it's disrupted

Not wrong but NA gm team is notorious for not acting on stuff. Even when proof is right in their face. I miss that gm that went nuts on primal

[Ravenblade1979]

Gordita I would also point out that it's the venue owners at large that would need to collectively come to an agreement and enforce it.

As is an example is venues on Aether collectively agreeing to no more the 3 pf's. Then some owners decided to disregard that. Somehow thinking more ads means more people.

When the opposite is true. People avoid those places. There's a fix for pf in the coding that would limit but as for the shout spam.

Not really much can be done unless the owners figure out that 3 paragraphs is going to get their shouter ignored big time. I've seen like one or two venue ads that were 2 sentences.

No one and i do mean no one complained or memed about it in shout. They praised those shoutrunners actually.

It's those fools who think a wall of spam will work when it just annoys people. Then these shoutrunners cry because people are getting mad at them.

I don't know. .maybe figure out how to minimize your ad so you aren't disrupting peoples convos.

[Gordita]

Gordita I would also point out that it's the venue owners at large that would need to collectively come to an agreement and enforce it.

As is an example is venues on Aether collectively agreeing to no more the 3 pf's. Then some owners decided to disregard that. Somehow thinking more ads means more people.

When the opposite is true. People avoid those places. There's a fix for pf in the coding that would limit but as for the shout spam.

Not really much can be done unless the owners figure out that 3 paragraphs is going to get their shouter ignored big time. I've seen like one or two venue ads that were 2 sentences.

No one and i do mean no one complained or memed about it in shout. They praised those shoutrunners actually.

It's those fools who think a wall of spam will work when it just annoys people. Then these shoutrunners cry because people are getting mad at them.

I don't know. .maybe figure out how to minimize your ad so you aren't disrupting peoples convos.

That's why I covered in my suggestion the ability to link the suggested improved fellowship, link that in chat similar to how pf works, people join. Now people can be notified when the fellowship is updated and there's no need to constantly spam chat every single time the doors are open. Over time there will be no need to advertise at all as people start to join. Wins, all across the board. It's truly a great solution to the problem.

[ChrysOCE]

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Shout ads are a direct violation of this part of the tos, and people don't have the right to tell people their gameplay isn't disrupted, if a person feels it's disrupted

How is it a "direct violation"?? Are they blocking your access to click on something? Are they constantly attempting to trade with you and stopping you from doing anything? Are they directing telling at you, over and over and over? And ok, you get rid of shout ads. Are you somehow thinking people are going to replace that with Shouts for other stuff?
Also, what kind of BS is "if a person feels it's disrupted"? No, its not based on your feeling. It's based on Square's feeling. You can feel disrupted all you like. But if Square doesn't feel the same, then you aren't.

[hydralus]

It's a shame that happened, but pretty sure there's something about online interactions not being rated by the ESRB. If you want to protect your kid from people, don't let them play with people. This isn't excusing the people who cause the problem, and I wish GMs cracked down on venue advertisement ages ago, but realistically there's nothing the GMs can do to prevent harassment from happening if someone feels the need to be a creep. They can only do something after the fact, which I hope they would.

[Gordita]

Actually yes, on several occasions it has prevented me from clicking on things such as links in chat, or attempting to highlight text to copy and paste. It also in other instances has been disruptive in several other ways, like flooding the chat and disrupting conversations, making me stop whatever I'm doing and close everything in order to expand the chat window and scroll to find things, and the same spam keeps coming and making the chat jump as I'm trying to do these things. There's more to it than that even but I don't care to rack my brain trying to recall every single scenario.

[Gordita]

It's a shame that happened, but pretty sure there's something about online interactions not being rated by the ESRB. If you want to protect your kid from people, don't let them play with people.

Online interactions not rated by the ESRB , user agreement says you'll behave in a way that's appropriate for people aged 13+. So it doesn't matter what the ESRB does or doesn't rate, we all agreed to the user agreement and need to follow it as well as it needs to be enforced. And sheltering a child and cutting them off entirely from the internet doesn't seem like a healthy solution to anything, but this post isn't about parenting it's about shout ads and obstruction, and the solution to implement to make it better for everyone

[AlexiaD]

Actually yes, on several occasions it has prevented me from clicking on things such as links in chat, or attempting to highlight text to copy and paste. It also in other instances has been disruptive in several other ways, like flooding the chat and disrupting conversations, making me stop whatever I'm doing and close everything in order to expand the chat window and scroll to find things, and the same spam keeps coming and making the chat jump as I'm trying to do these things. There's more to it than that even but I don't care to rack my brain trying to recall every single scenario.

oh no the drama

are you okay ? i promise you'll get through it it'll be okay, if you need emotional support i am here

[hydralus]

Online interactions not rated by the ESRB , user agreement says you'll behave in a way that's appropriate for people aged 13+. So it doesn't matter what the ESRB does or doesn't rate, we all agreed to the user agreement and need to follow it as well as it needs to be enforced

I assume they do. At the least when I reported someone for harassment they were very quick to respond and react accordingly. But the game wouldn't need GMs if people always did what they were 'supposed' to do, and the reason online interactions aren't rated is because they cannot control what happens unless they make it so nobody can communicate with one-another. Well, just putting the suggestion out there.