JP Players healer feedback is...

[SargeTheSeagull]

Almost the exact opposite of ours. I decided to hop over to the JP forums and use chrome's auto translate to check out what their thoughts on the game are. On tanks and dps we essentially agree, as far as I can tell. On healers though, holy shit. We almost couldn't disagree more. The only thing that they bring up in terms of DPS kits is changing how DoTs interact/how long they last. Any time someone brought up any of our usual talking points (healing downtime is boring due to mashing 111111, doing MSQ as healer is boring due to 11111, more in depth/interactive damage kits should be brought in etc) they were immediately hit with people telling them to play DPS if they want a DPS kit, almost as if insulting their intelligence. Granted, Chrome's auto translate isn't perfect, especially from JP to English and especially in a context as slang ridden as an MMO's forums.

Which made me wonder: What MMOs (or other games with healers) are big in Japan to prompt that sort of feedback? The other thing I can't wrap my head around is that 14's playerbase in JP didn't explode in late ShB like it did over here due to WoW's exodus in '21. So a lot more JP players remember HW/SB healers which makes me wonder even more if that's a reason the devs decided to gut healers in ShB in the first place. What are your guys' thoughts/opinions, especially those of you who speak Japanese.

[Eastwall]

I talked to some cn players l know. They are fine with the glare spams too, but they want the healing to be more unique. I heard scholar's pet used to have different functionality. Such as one pet has mass dispel you can use to remove the debuff from tea's p1 with one click. They want That kind of stuff back, not a more complicated dps rotation. Honestly.... I don't want to be a green dps either. I actually joined my coworkers' raid group in Guild wars 2 because l actually feel like a support. I need to cc mob, defensively dispel debuff, offensively dispel boss's buff, heal raid wide, erect barrier to block projectiles, block certain attacks with aegis, And maintain raid buff so dps can do their rotation properly. That's the kind of healer/support experience l want. I would play a red job if l want to dps.

[WaxSw]

Jp people tend to have a more "stay in your line" mentality for what I know so its no wonder they have a lot of sylphies running around and even with that, for what I've seen is a more divided opinion with the more skilled players leaning heavily on the dps side (a side that now could be less present due to content drought lets be honest).

Regardless of the feedback this game's healers can't grow on the healing side in a meaningful way due to things like solo duties, normal modes that can't ask players for basic competency and the fundamentally impossible task of accomodating healing checks that are satisfying for the more experienced while not overwheilming the newbies. This is leaving aside the insane resource costs of reworking the whole game to accomodate said healing because now not even ultimates do as proven by how all of them have seen 0-1 healer clears

[Kuroka]

I gotta say the same, i like healers as they are, id just loved... more flavor on em...

[Solakor]

I'm starting to wonder if those JP players even understand what they are saying. How does having a more fleshed out dps kit as a healer hinder your healing gameplay? F.e. in eureka or bozja you are literally spamming 1 button for 95% of the time you are there. Unless you have lobotomy i don't think anyone would think that is good gameplay. The biggest issue is that the game doesn't demand healers to heal more than dps and it has ALWAYS been this way.
Maby the actual JP healers don't interact with the forum or something because that sounds pretty sus. Literal brainrot.

Also SE takes 99% of their feedback from JP and anyone saying otherwise is coping.

[Sebazy]

This mindset is a big part of why I've always been all for further consideration to be given to adding meaningful, impactful and engaging buff/debuff gameplay for healers.

Focusing on the DPS rabbit hole is always going to face this stigma, it seems that even the dev team themselves fall foul of it with the encounter design team routinely trying to push healers into a polar opposite direction of what the kits seem to suggest they should go. It's been this way pretty much since Stormblood IMO.

[Supersnow845]

What I really don’t understand is why do we even have 4 healers when they are all literally exactly the same as each other

SGE added nothing to the game for example (being happy SCH’s clunkiness is gone is not a valid class identity), WHM and AST have never been more similar

I feel like I’m quoting an old person on the forums I really don’t like here but why can’t WHM be left for people who like glare spam and the others made more interesting without necessarily being made stronger, just adding utility to SCH without affecting it’s HPS is just gonna make it broken and the healers are already bloated on buttons

[MitsukiKimura]

Sometimes I wonder if all the feedback they do for class changes is just literally coming from the JP community

[IceBlueNinja]

To be honest Japanese gamers do not take video games as serious US players do. Even final fantasy dissidia their lobbies will be so chill and fun compared to US lobbies where its just sweat fest. I am not surprised they like the way healers are.

[Troxbark]

How does having a more fleshed out dps kit as a healer hinder your healing gameplay?

Because there's nothing heal. More dps isn't going to fix the fact that healers are barely needed.