Sidereal Whale is genuinely awful

[Raenra]

Gharlichthys definitely isn't anywhere near as bad, I'm more concerned that it indicates a trend.
There's only one fish prior where I would turn up more than 30mins prior to the window, and that was the Lancetfish which needed 2x Mora Tecta.
Consider, that's 5 expansions where 'jail' only felt advisable once, and now it's twice in a single patch.

That said, I've definitely had a 23min window where I caught one Basilosaurus (had patience going so couldn't double/triple hook), then lost it on the mooch, and that was it for the rest of the period.
So I always give myself 3 windows to ensure I'd catch enough. A far cry from showing up 12hrs prior for Phallaina, but still the same fundamental issue.
(On the up-side, sold like a million gil of kalamari from it)

TL : DR - Sidereal Whale is a sadistic waste of time. Even by WoW standard it's new levels of horrific. The only reason I'm even trying for it is because my time is worthless, I have no idea how anyone with any kind of commitments (real or digital) could even attempt to catch this fish.

One 'solution' they could implement while maintaining the idea of the style, is perhaps a noticeable increase in the chance to catch Phallaina during the Sidereal Whale's uptime.

[Lydia77]

Well i finally got it. that 18 windows phallaina farm payed off (not in 1 settion of course). NO more fish till DT.
And i am not worried about some trends like jailing fishers or having a fish that is up 30 sec once a week. After all Elpis salad 2.0 got 1 game hour window split in 2 so its up more often unlike its older brother.
My problem is that this kind of bs is not geting fixed. Like its something normal and works as intended. Why not get all this feedback and adjust the requirements? Make phall bite more and ballance it by cuting scripts reward (who cares about those anyway). Why not stop ignoring the fact that this silly time / weather chain they didnt test occurs once every 8 IRL days and change it a bit? Wait for 29 REAL DAYS for an egg window only to relise its in the mid of your work day or early morning. I am fine with 99% of these fishes if i can actually try and fish them.
PVE fixes are done as soon as some FCs cry about them not pasing enrage timers in a couple weeks. Fishing wasnt changed once.
All we can hope for are some new skills next expantion that make some of these easier like makeshift bait, mooch 2 and prize catch did in endwalker

[Fruity_Snacks]

PVE fixes are done as soon as some FCs cry about them not pasing enrage timers in a couple weeks. Fishing wasnt changed once.
All we can hope for are some new skills next expantion that make some of these easier like makeshift bait, mooch 2 and prize catch did in endwalker

At the start of Stormblood, various HW fish (notably the legendaries) had bite rates changed due to player feedback. It was announced in the blog post, there has not been any changes since then.

[Lydia77]

well its my bad then. i came in the game about that time and didnt care for fishing yet.

[PotatoTree]

Guess how much time I have wasted on this and still have no whale:



And no I don't fish when the phal window is still up, I only did that once and caught a dupe phal which isn't included in this picture.

And no I'm not fishing wrong, I'm doing everything in my ability to maximize the chances of mooches a window.

I've only gotten one bite and it got away.

At the very least at least I can stock these fish for some scripts or something I guess so not completely worthless like some other time consuming fish.

[Lydia77]

and what are you going to spend those purple scips on if you dont mind me asking? 7k gil materia? A bait you no longer need? A housing item you probably already have?
Problem is it may take you 1 or 18 tries to get phalaina. You make come 6h earlier (a no-life like me) and still dont get any to even have a CHANCE to fish. Or you can come at the whale window and get one immideatly to hold it as collectable hostage.
Or you can maximase your chances and self lock yourself there, loging off as soon as you get one, seting alarm at 4 AM. Or just sit there till 4 am becuase the damn thing doesnt bite. No matter what you have 2 choises: luck route every ~2 days or prison.
At the very least the whale itself is not TOO too rare and not slippery. It took me 5 windows and 0 escapes to get one. Every try took about 5-6 hours each only because of phalaina.
I thought ruby dragon is the worst for taking me 8 real months to get it by doing almost every window avalabdle. But this... thing... is its rival.

[Raenra]

It's moderately slippery.
Haven't yet caught it after about a dozen intuitions. Bit once and got away. Had someone else say it got away 3 or 4 times on them before they caught it.
Napkin math, it's approx a 15% chance to catch Phil during any of its windows, and about the same 15% for Sidereal to bite, then maybe 1/3 for it to catch.

Assuming any of that's accurate, if you only show up for Sidereal windows, there's a 0.75% chance to get intuition, have sidereal bite, and reel it in. So 133ish windows, maybe a year?
However if you prep, it goes up to 5%, 20 windows, probably a month.
Whatever the numbers may be, prepping is hugely beneficial to your odds.

Regarding script, might be worthwhile sitting on the whales for next expansion to buy rank-11 materia.

[Fruity_Snacks]

It's moderately slippery.
Haven't yet caught it after about a dozen intuitions. Bit once and got away. Had someone else say it got away 3 or 4 times on them before they caught it.
Napkin math, it's approx a 15% chance to catch Phil during any of its windows, and about the same 15% for Sidereal to bite, then maybe 1/3 for it to catch.

Assuming any of that's accurate, if you only show up for Sidereal windows, there's a 0.75% chance to get intuition, have sidereal bite, and reel it in. So 133ish windows, maybe a year?
However if you prep, it goes up to 5%, 20 windows, probably a month.
Whatever the numbers may be, prepping is hugely beneficial to your odds.

Regarding script, might be worthwhile sitting on the whales for next expansion to buy rank-11 materia.

This is not accurate.

[Tyonto]

Napkin math

If you could clarify: the numbers for Sidereal Whale you're asserting are based on your twelve intuitions, and four or five reported bites?

I'm curious as I've been collecting data from members in the Fisherman Horizon discord about the results of Sidereal Whale windows here. From 64 Sidereal Whale bites there were 11 reported escapes, resulting in a 17.19% escape rate.

What is the Phallaina number based on?

Curious about this as well as I've caught 208 Phallainas which has not resulted in similar numbers, so I'm curious about what this asserted number is based on. The Phallaina reports from the same data sheet result in a similar bite rate, though is only 28 Phallainas at the moment as its just those which were caught while already under the Intuition buff.

What is the asserted expected Mooches per window?

[Raenra]

Oh I made them up, that's why it's napkin maths.