7.0 Summoner abandoned job or not

[Manamaru]

From this expansion and it's changes, I personally swore off 6.0 SMN and vented my own gripes and complaints about it plenty of times. But I hope that 7.0 it will shift into whatever YoshiP and team had the vision for instead of the tri-disaster mess that it's in. Let me explain.

Summoner's current form comes from 3 points of vision:
1. YoshiP and team incorporating part of FF16's summon elemental imbuing of attacks. Nice on paper, but practice from others have been mixed with the not so happy remarking how boring or tedious it is.
2. Thanks to some people's desire and wanting "how older final fantasy summons played", we have the jankyness of the egis doing their attack until the actual primal forms come up and do their big attack. That'll be relevant at a future point soon.
3. Current summoner still has forms of its past iteration when it was 1 of 2 pet oriented jobs. (The other being scholar). Back then, these pets were killable. Titan was used for solo tanking or doing goofy challenges with friends (all titan run) and we see that with how carbuncle is. It's a sad yet cute relic of its past.

With 7.0, there's hope for more summons. Although it seems like Pictomancer is getting more of the colorful and whimsy favor and getting little creatures to do some attack along with other elemental drawings, I do worry if Summoner might be ignored or worse not even given what I personally think would be the bare minimum of what it should be given for this upcoming expansion. What is the bare minimum? Odin.

Let me get back to point 2 I previously made and how weirdly janky it is that the egi's move over to do their attack until you can summon Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan primals. It shouldn't come to any surprise that their Summon, attack, and disappearing animations are generally recycled from Heaven on High's magicite system. And in Heaven on High is also the Odin Magicite, where he appears, does his slash, and then disappears. If square enix would follow their habit of re-using older things for newer; or in this case, older summon animations, then we should be getting an Odin summon to use. At. The. Very. Least. If not, and no summons at all for one reason or another that they give in a future talk, then it's safe to say Yoshi P left to go get milk, only he's giving the milk to Pictomancer.

I hope I'm wrong come summer in the best way and I'll have to eat these words, but we'll see. Your thoughts?

[Valence]

Like MCH shifted after ShB in EW? That's some hefty copium, but I do wish to be proven wrong.

[Flana]

Like MCH shifted after ShB in EW? That's some hefty copium, but I do wish to be proven wrong.

The difference between SMN and MCH is that SE can staple the remaining ARR primals on as a literal copy/paste of the first 3 after Phoenix and the forums will spend the next 6 months raving about how it 'saved' Summoner and the job is now 'so fresh' compared to EW. Flash doesn't last forever though so they'll be in the exact same spot for 8.0.

[remiff]

The difference between SMN and MCH is that SE can staple the remaining ARR primals on as a literal copy/paste of the first 3 after Phoenix and the forums will spend the next 6 months raving about how it 'saved' Summoner and the job is now 'so fresh' compared to EW. Flash doesn't last forever though so they'll be in the exact same spot for 8.0.

And it's 100% certain that's what they'll do, they've been offering us big jokes in job changes for ages, and it's even getting worse with each expansion.

[Mayhemmer]

The difference between SMN and MCH is that SE can staple the remaining ARR primals on as a literal copy/paste of the first 3 after Phoenix and the forums will spend the next 6 months raving about how it 'saved' Summoner and the job is now 'so fresh' compared to EW. Flash doesn't last forever though so they'll be in the exact same spot for 8.0.

Plus an ogcd at 100 that uses a resource you get from going through all six primals. I'm willing to bet that'll be the capstone. Everything will look cool, but nothing will have changed.

[Valence]

The difference between SMN and MCH is that SE can staple the remaining ARR primals on as a literal copy/paste of the first 3 after Phoenix and the forums will spend the next 6 months raving about how it 'saved' Summoner and the job is now 'so fresh' compared to EW. Flash doesn't last forever though so they'll be in the exact same spot for 8.0.

Don't worry they've been doing the same with MCH by giving us chainsaw, the AoE air anchor we were denied. Much wow. And I'm not even talking about another finisher in FINISHERS, THE EXPANSION, where we don't know what to add anymore so we'll just add finishers to certain moves, aka crown collider after a series of moves executed by an automated pet, and that I actually thought would be AoE in the previews, but nope. Not even. Battery still useless in AoE. Only thing I kinda like is scattergun and it's not saying much, just makes you spamm hypercharge more (but it's dope in pvp actually and ironically).

It's just flash and glitter. The art fx team is doing great, the battle design team? Not so sure.

Edit: also, another thing that makes me order even more prime copium is the sheer amount of players actually going for the dumbest jobs like SMN and DNC. They're everywhere. Maybe that's what the playerbase wants, and SE is all happy to indulge. Maybe people don't want to deal with job constraints anymore, the only thing they like is playing guitar hero with fight mechanics.

[Ashphen]

As a SMN main, I'm happy about the current system because of the button bloat pains. I'm hoping that they add the old summons to the rotation system though. I honestly thought Solar Bahamut in the Job Trailer was telling us more Egi Glamours were happening.

Bahamut > Ifrit/Titan/Garuda > Pheonix > Ramuh/Levi/Shiva > Solar Bahamut

I just want them to let me keep Resurrection!!! The dopamine rush from rezzing a fellow DPS or even Tanks and Healers who are dead.

[SieyaM]

The difference between SMN and MCH is that SE can staple the remaining ARR primals on as a literal copy/paste of the first 3 after Phoenix and the forums will spend the next 6 months raving about how it 'saved' Summoner and the job is now 'so fresh' compared to EW. Flash doesn't last forever though so they'll be in the exact same spot for 8.0.

The same people complaining now will be complaining until the end of time, even if they revert all the changes because it doesn't have true pet mechanics or it doesn't have enough DoTs or something they added isn't good enough for should have been something else. So no, people that are unsatisfied now will not be saying anything about how it saved SMN.

[Ggwppino]

The same people complaining now will be complaining until the end of time, even if they revert all the changes because it doesn't have true pet mechanics or it doesn't have enough DoTs or something they added isn't good enough for should have been something else. So no, people that are unsatisfied now will not be saying anything about how it saved SMN.

popi-popi
What you say is embarrassing.

If people are complaining about this smn it is simply because of the fact is that it is a steaming pile of shit. Emptying does not mean solving.

Old smn players were used to a certain rate of complexity. That has been completely eliminated.
Old smn players used to think.

[SieyaM]

popi-popi
What you say is embarrassing.

If people are complaining about this smn it is simply because of the fact is that it is a steaming pile of shit. Emptying does not mean solving.

Old smn players were used to a certain rate of complexity. That has been completely eliminated.
Old smn players used to think.

So if you got ShB summoner back, no new abilities now new nothing you would be completely satisfied and have no complaints about the job that you would then come here to voice?