Cure and it's Equivalents need to be axed

[finalchlomega]

Bit of a rant and a cry of despair, but Cure and Benefic need to be removed as players are somehow going throughout the entire game, hitting level 90 and having beaten the MSQ by spamming Cure, and when told that they should use another skill, in a brief but not unkind way, they lose their minds and double down on using the spell, with support from the party swinging towards the healer not playing to the best of their ability, and this rant isn't even going into the issue of healers not doing DPS (which is a case for renaming healers into "Supports" in my opinion).

In my time of playing, once Cure II or Benefic II is unlocked, it is absolutely obsolete and becomes even more worthless once Afflatus Solace and Essential Dignity comes into play, not to mention the fact that there is regularly a second healer which have instant heals that come off cooldown fairly quickly. Even in Ultimates and Criterion Savage they've never been needed and just take up valuable action slots, and trait slots due to Freecure and Enhanced Benefic.

The argument also applies to Physick and Diagnosis (not Eukrasian Diagnosis but because of how Sage works it would be harder to work around) as Scholar has Lustrate plus Dissipation and Sage has Druochole plus Rhizomata.

I apologise for the rant but I needed to say something as this has not been just a one off occurance, but something that has been happening since Shadowbringers, if not Stormblood.

[Ath192]

Bit of a rant and a cry of despair, but Cure and Benefic need to be removed as players are somehow going throughout the entire game, hitting level 90 and having beaten the MSQ by spamming Cure, and when told that they should use another skill, in a brief but not unkind way, they lose their minds and double down on using the spell, with support from the party swinging towards the healer not playing to the best of their ability, and this rant isn't even going into the issue of healers not doing DPS (which is a case for renaming healers into "Supports" in my opinion).

In my time of playing, once Cure II or Benefic II is unlocked, it is absolutely obsolete and becomes even more worthless once Afflatus Solace and Essential Dignity comes into play, not to mention the fact that there is regularly a second healer which have instant heals that come off cooldown fairly quickly. Even in Ultimates and Criterion Savage they've never been needed and just take up valuable action slots, and trait slots due to Freecure and Enhanced Benefic.

The argument also applies to Physick and Diagnosis (not Eukrasian Diagnosis but because of how Sage works it would be harder to work around) as Scholar has Lustrate plus Dissipation and Sage has Druochole plus Rhizomata.

I apologise for the rant but I needed to say something as this has not been just a one off occurance, but something that has been happening since Shadowbringers, if not Stormblood.

The game is so easy it makes this possible. This won't fix anything; they'll spam whatever subpar ability they want if it's not Cure 1 because it's not like the game demands anything better anyways. CBUIII design philosophy, please understand.

[Swordsman]

IMO, I think the game's difficulty just needs to be increased so it encourages players to use other abilities from their toolkit. No need to prune abilities even more.

[Zeastria]

I agree, cuz it's bother to have to replace my Benefic II (macro)
with Benefic (macro) every *** time i get into a low lvl dung that dosn't allow Benefic II! <.<
(I have both on my bar, it just that i only have hotkey slot for one)

[Solakor]

And what do you think is gonna change when they get rid of cure 1? They spam cure 2 and run out of mp and then you come here saying they need to get rid of that skill as well. This is a never ending issue and unless you give ppl the "i win" button they will keep doing this. The homogenization that has already happened didn't help this issue at all but it sure as hell made the game less interesting to play.

[Naraku_Diabolos]

What the dev team needs to do is have Cure be upgradable just like how Stone is upgraded all the way to Lv90, becoming Glare II. It would really cut down on magic and skill bloat.

[finalchlomega]

IMO, I think the game's difficulty just needs to be increased so it encourages players to use other abilities from their toolkit. No need to prune abilities even more.

While I agree in that the game's difficulty should be increased to actually justify giving us new abilities and actions like a regular RPG would, I have disagree about not pruning abilities. The current design philosophy seems to be to have about three hotbars worth of abilities and without pruning some out of date abilities we wouldn't be able to get more. In particular about Cure and the others, even if they increased the difficulty of MSQ encounters, people would still refuse to use their new abilities and continue their current gameplay of spamming Cure whenever someone takes a modicum of damage, and if the party died while they did that, they would refuse to acknowledge that they were at fault.

As an example I ran the Grand Cosmos recently on Dancer, and I had a White Mage using the bare minimum of their abilities like Cure and Medica to try and be able to beat the first boss. When I gave them advice such as using Afflatus Rapture and that Holy was an area of effect around themselves, as well as telling them that Cure was not worth it, they told me, and I quote; "can you just focus on you". At no point was I unkind before this, and wrote it as briefly as I could so there wouldn't be any misunderstanding. When I told them that they should be using these abilities they just told me that they didn't care and continued playing how they were, even getting worse and worse as time wore on, to the point where myself and the Dark Knight decided that we just had to beat the final boss of the instance ourselves, as the White Mage and their Monk partner just started standing in AoEs intentionally.

[Zeastria]

And what do you think is gonna change when they get rid of cure 1? They spam cure 2 and run out of mp and then you come here saying they need to get rid of that skill as well. This is a never ending issue and unless you give ppl the "i win" button they will keep doing this. The homogenization that has already happened didn't help this issue at all but it sure as hell made the game less interesting to play.

That would be great - ineffective healing should result in zero MP!!!,
There should be consequences to bad/poor play! Maybe they will learn for once LOL

[Solakor]

That would be great - ineffective healing should result in zero MP!!!,
There should be consequences to bad/poor play! Maybe they will learn for once LOL

You think ppl are gonna use other skills if they run out of mp? You have quite the trust in ppls ability to make rational decisions. If they cant be bothered to spam anything else than cure 1 then they will just hold using cure 2 until they get the mana back passively
But yes, consequences for making bad plays should be the norm

[finalchlomega]

And what do you think is gonna change when they get rid of cure 1? They spam cure 2 and run out of mp and then you come here saying they need to get rid of that skill as well. This is a never ending issue and unless you give ppl the "i win" button they will keep doing this. The homogenization that has already happened didn't help this issue at all but it sure as hell made the game less interesting to play.

What would change is that because Cure II has a higher MP cost, the players would need to either A) Learn how to use Lucid Dreaming, or B) Figure out how to avoid using Cure II. Cure II is already the "I am out of resources and I need to heal" button as Tetragrammation, Benediction and three stackable Afflatus Solaces are more than enough to heal a Light Party, even if it is less effective then simply using Plenary Indulgance and Afflatus Rapture.