Can we get an idea on what to expect from the open world in version 2? (A bit long)

[ShivenCasull]

And to what exploits are you referring?

I know in XI for the longest time SE didn't address packet sniffers when it came to hunting NMs. (Don't know if they ever did, only played for a year & 1/2 after release) Nothing like sitting in an area camping a monster to see someone walk up and stand in one spot and wait for it to spawn in front of them...

Another side effect (dunno if it counts as an exploit) was how often parties would MPK each other for HNM spawns.

These hardly help create an enjoyable experience. I would rather have world PVP than have to deal with someone trying to MPK my party.

as for the topic, it's a good disscussion.

[Eclipse]

I know in XI for the longest time SE didn't address packet sniffers when it came to hunting NMs. (Don't know if they ever did, only played for a year & 1/2 after release) Nothing like sitting in an area camping a monster to see someone walk up and stand in one spot and wait for it to spawn in front of them...

Another side effect (dunno if it counts as an exploit) was how often parties would MPK each other for HNM spawns.

These hardly help create an enjoyable experience. I would rather have world PVP than have to deal with someone trying to MPK my party.

as for the topic, it's a good disscussion.

Regardless of the use of exploits, (I am not sure what LS may have used them on our server, there were rumors of course but no actual proof) LS's that didn't use them still got claim. There didn't seem to be really a LS that had the majority of claim one over the other that I truly remembered. And with roaming NM's like Ixion that wasn't really a viable use of the exploits.

I understand the MPK and the Emnity stealing but those were also tactics that the developers let into the game and could have addressed if they wanted to. It was a big concern then and still is today, perhaps they can make sure those issues are addressed.

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Everyone always refers to the spawns of Nidhogg and their timers, other NMs were on a timer like Ixion and Wurm (or whatever his name is) but instead they had a larger area to pop in and could jump from one location to another without a moment's notice.

You couldn't just walk up and claim them if you were waiting on your shell or else you face a wipe.

It was competitive without having to wait for windows for pop and thrilling because they moved.

Also later on they introduced instances in which you could fight certain HNMs in, and they still produced drops, or we had Einherjar which produced similar drops to Nidhogg such as abjurations. if you were able to progress to the final stage.

XI had a good system which allowed both types of players to engage and receive very similar rewards.

[DarthTaru]

Another side effect (dunno if it counts as an exploit) was how often parties would MPK each other for HNM spawns.

These hardly help create an enjoyable experience. I would rather have world PVP than have to deal with someone trying to MPK my party.

Definitely not an exploit. It was players making use of the freedom the world provided them. Freedom is more entertaining than being on rails. I'm not advocating MPKing anyone but my opinion of it is slightly different. Fighting off MPK attempts were some of the most exciting HNM fights I remember. Exciting = fun.

I wasn't exactly thrilled when MPK attempts succeeded but i've seen some pretty epic MPK's in my time and some of them were actually hilarious (guy brought the CoP robot NM down to first floor in Qufim tower when 8 full lvl 25 parties were fighting for mobs on a packed night and it was a massacre).

No matter how much it might have sucked if you got MPKed at a time when you werent interested in getting MPKed, i'd prefer the game provided the freedom for this (as well as positive things) to happen spontaneously than to put us on a set path we cannot stray from.

[DarthTaru]

I should add that the current claim system that allows everyone to "participate" (lolol) will be revealed in due time as a much more MPK friendly system than the one in XI. At least in XI you had to be somewhat crafty to wipe out a linkshell during an HNM fight (or really in general). In XIV all it will take is sending in your best DD's to pull hate, force abilities, leesh to area that will link, etc.

If the current claim system is not fixed open world endgame will be a bloodbath on servers with linkshells that hate each other.

[NumenarMithrandir]

I should add that the current claim system that allows everyone to "participate" (lolol) will be revealed in due time as a much more MPK friendly system than the one in XI. At least in XI you had to be somewhat crafty to wipe out a linkshell during an HNM fight (or really in general). In XIV all it will take is sending in your best DD's to pull hate, force abilities, leesh to area that will link, etc.

If the current claim system is not fixed open world endgame will be a bloodbath on servers with linkshells that hate each other.

lol a bloodbath but even funnier if you survive and manage to still take claim and kill.

[NumenarMithrandir]

Definitely not an exploit. It was players making use of the freedom the world provided them. Freedom is more entertaining than being on rails. I'm not advocating MPKing anyone but my opinion of it is slightly different. Fighting off MPK attempts were some of the most exciting HNM fights I remember. Exciting = fun.

I wasn't exactly thrilled when MPK attempts succeeded but i've seen some pretty epic MPK's in my time and some of them were actually hilarious (guy brought the CoP robot NM down to first floor in Qufim tower when 8 full lvl 25 parties were fighting for mobs on a packed night and it was a massacre).

No matter how much it might have sucked if you got MPKed at a time when you werent interested in getting MPKed, i'd prefer the game provided the freedom for this (as well as positive things) to happen spontaneously than to put us on a set path we cannot stray from.

lol sooo many epic mpk memories from FFXI, some really upsetting but looking back now makes me laugh.

[ShivenCasull]

Definitely not an exploit. It was players making use of the freedom the world provided them. Freedom is more entertaining than being on rails. I'm not advocating MPKing anyone but my opinion of it is slightly different. Fighting off MPK attempts were some of the most exciting HNM fights I remember. Exciting = fun.

I wasn't exactly thrilled when MPK attempts succeeded but i've seen some pretty epic MPK's in my time and some of them were actually hilarious (guy brought the CoP robot NM down to first floor in Qufim tower when 8 full lvl 25 parties were fighting for mobs on a packed night and it was a massacre).

No matter how much it might have sucked if you got MPKed at a time when you werent interested in getting MPKed, i'd prefer the game provided the freedom for this (as well as positive things) to happen spontaneously than to put us on a set path we cannot stray from.

It's not a question of freedom to grief other players, because that's what MPKing is. Griefing.

If you want my HNM spawn, bring it on, I'll pvp you for it. Keep the monster trains in XI.