Thread: Please balance casters in 7.0 or split role up

This isn’t a new thought, but with Pictomancer seemingly being close to BLM in terms of its place in a party, I think it warrants discussing.

Caster is literally the only job type that has two distinct sub roles despite it being one category.

Yes, there are two types of healers, but balance is that a party should hopefully have one of each for best results.

Caster has “progress jobs” ie summoner and red mage, and then “speed jobs” ie black mage and likely pictomancer that provide more rdps, but lack the Rez for progression.

This makes it hard to “main” a job like pictomancer, or at least hard to “main” picto for raiding. Most groups are going to want you to play red mage or summoner for prog. Melee DPS don’t deal with this. Viper will be just as viable for a group as SAM, RPR, DRG, MNK, NIN. Balance is always subject to change, but they’ll always all be fine in a raid group.

Maybe call summoner and red mage support casters, and pictomancer and black mage can be called something else. Thoughts?

They just need to remove raise from the casters, raise is already too free and it’s what’s messing up balance

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

They just need to remove raise from the casters, raise is already too free and it’s what’s messing up balance

Just say that you want Red Mage removed, no need to dance around the topic like that. (because frankly that's what makes Red Mage feel unique right now, the spam-rezzing)

Originally Posted by Carighan

Just say that you want Red Mage removed, no need to dance around the topic like that. (because frankly that's what makes Red Mage feel unique right now, the spam-rezzing)

If using rezz is the only thing you are getting out of red mage I think you might be playing red mage wrong

Red mage is one of the few unique feeling classes we have left and rezz barely matters

Originally Posted by Carighan

Just say that you want Red Mage removed, no need to dance around the topic like that. (because frankly that's what makes Red Mage feel unique right now, the spam-rezzing)

Dualcast? Using offensive spells of White and Black Magic? Swordplay? There's more to RDM throughout the series than being a glorified Raise bot.

If you want to keep the supportive nature, could always replace it with Vermedica on oGCD and make Vercure two oGCD charges as well along with a spell that just preps Dualcast and nothing else before the Red Mage cabal comes for my head.

Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Dualcast? Using offensive spells of White and Black Magic? Swordplay? There's more to RDM throughout the series than being a glorified Raise bot.

If you want to keep the supportive nature, could always replace it with Vermedica on oGCD and make Vercure two oGCD charges as well along with a spell that just preps Dualcast and nothing else before the Red Mage cabal comes for my head.

I would argue that the whole white and black magic thing comes down to just recolors of spells, since they don't do any different kind of damage or play into anything other than raising your black and white mana. In the end they could just have a single mana bar that was raised every time you cast a spell and the job would feel no different.

Originally Posted by SieyaM

I would argue that the whole white and black magic thing comes down to just recolors of spells, since they don't do any different kind of damage or play into anything other than raising your black and white mana. In the end they could just have a single mana bar that was raised every time you cast a spell and the job would feel no different.

That's... not true, though... That'd be taking away one half of the entire pillar of their gameplay loop of balancing and alternating between the two colors, so it would feel very different.

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

They just need to remove raise from the casters, raise is already too free and it’s what’s messing up balance

Whe need more option with raise for normal dungeon.
Its allways a pain, when the whole group is failing. Because only one player didnt managed the mechanic (ok, i have less that problem in the 90er raid, because, the Paladin can act as asubstitute healer by Boss fights, if the healer dies).
It would take away pressure of the healer.

Make it like in Eso. Where everyone can ress with a soul gem.
FF has phoenix feather (it even exist in f14). Make it buyable and usable in-fights.
With maybe a 3-5 Minute CD.

Originally Posted by Keichi

Whe need more option with raise for normal dungeon.
Its allways a pain, when the whole group is failing. Because only one player didnt managed the mechanic (ok, i have less that problem in the 90er raid, because, the Paladin can act as asubstitute healer by Boss fights, if the healer dies).
It would take away pressure of the healer.

Make it like in Eso. Where everyone can ress with a soul gem.
FF has phoenix feather (it even exist in f14). Make it buyable and usable in-fights.
With maybe a 3-5 Minute CD.

Because you physically cannot “take anymore pressure off the healer” without straight up deleting the role; healing is already the easiest role by a country mile considering every other job can basically their role for them anyway

If the healer is bad that’s something you have to work with, not just decide to ignore them and do it anyway, this is an MMO, why are we trying to invalidate a third of the holy trinity

I feel like having one group buff and a rez is too little to classify a job as a "support caster" but in XIV support is so bare minimum that I guess it counts.