Please remove MSQ dungeons from Mentor roulette

[Sove92]

Quite bold of you to decide who needs your help and who does not. You just don't like these three duties and try to spin it into a "they don't need my help" excuse when your help is already not needed for the majority of content.

I do not do Mentor Roulette for rewards.

If this was true, you wouldn't have made this thread.

[DiaDeem]

If you aren't willing to help with every singular duty, don't do Mentor Roulette and while you're at it, remove your Burger King crown.

[Xirean]

You don't get large tomestones for doing MSQ dungeons in Mentor Roulette, and I do it to help people who need my help. Saying they specifically need Mentors for "warm bodies" to do that is asinine and wrong. I'm willing to do any other content in the game than MSQ dungeons in Mentor roulette. It would be the right and correct thing to do to remove them from Mentor Roulette.

I do not do Mentor Roulette for rewards. I do it to help players who actually need my help. No, they do not need my "warm body" to pop their MSQ dungeon queue.

Needing help is heavily subjective. You may not consider being available for the queue to pop to be helping but I can assure you that it is. Some early dungeons can take a good while for a pop and it's one of the main reasons duty support is getting so much attention.

I'm not a fan of everything on the mentor roulette either and still think EX shouldn't be on it, but the three MSQ pops do actually need that help. It's the first capstone a sprout gets access to and any longer wait then necessary only hurts the impact for a new player. SE knows that the content was designed strange and has done what they can to mitigate it, but it's very unlikely to go away any time soon.

I do think the instance itself should have more rewards tied to it though; I'd say the same for EX if they must be on the roulette.

[Mithron]

Quite bold of you to decide who needs your help and who does not. You just don't like these three duties and try to spin it into a "they don't need my help" excuse when your help is already not needed for the majority of content.

Basic common sense says Green Leafs don't need my help watching cutscenes in two very easy instances that got even easier. Basic common sense says plenty of people regularly run MSQ Roulette every single day so they will rarely, if ever, need to wait long for them to pop. Please, have basic common sense or refrain from posting until you do.

If this was true, you wouldn't have made this thread.

I made this thread because I love helping people. That's why I became a Mentor and why I run Mentor Roulettes even after completing the daily sometimes. I already have more Gil than I'll ever spend, I cap on Tomes extremely quick, and there's plenty of better options to get 30 other Tomes if that was what I wanted. I'm not particularly interested in any of the Mentor Achievement rewards, I'm already 1024 duties into it. Because I love helping people, Mentor Roulette with basic common sense should only give us duties that aren't the two MSQ dungeons. Some people are scared and want to learn how to do their first Guildhest before tackling a Dungeon. Some people want to experience Extreme Trials synced and/or know the Party Finder will just tell them to unsync it. Whatever it is, I love helping them. The MSQ dungeons already have MSQ Roulette for helpers and I can't help new players watch cutscenes. It wastes my time and the time of those I could actually be helping instead.

The fact I need to explain this to you is an embarrassment.

Needing help is heavily subjective. You may not consider being available for the queue to pop to be helping but I can assure you that it is. Some early dungeons can take a good while for a pop and it's one of the main reasons duty support is getting so much attention.

No one's talking about early dungeons, this is only applying to Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium. I love helping Green Leafs through any other dungeon as needed, and they certainly don't take a "good while" to pop thanks to MSQ Roulette.

[Xirean]

No one's talking about early dungeons, this is only applying to Castrum Meridianum and Praetorium. I love helping Green Leafs through any other dungeon as needed, and they certainly don't take a "good while" to pop thanks to MSQ Roulette.

Those dungeons within the MSQ roulette are early dungeons. It's ARR; everything within it is early content at this point of the games lifespan.

Please, have basic common sense or refrain from posting until you do.

The fact I need to explain this to you is an embarrassment.

However, based on these comments it's pretty clear that you are not here to have an honest healthy discussion.

[MistakeNot]

Basic common sense says Green Leafs don't need my help watching cutscenes in two very easy instances that got even easier.

"Got even easier"??
When they revamped Castrum Meridanium/Praetorium a while ago, the instances became much harder in most cases. The ilvl sync got a lot tighter so the instances can no longer be outgeared and the fights just breezed through.
Now you have to work to get through those instances. They are still not very difficult, but sleepwalking through them is no longer possible.

And as others have said - main purpose of Mentor roulette is to fill out with warm bodies where needed, nothing more. In many cases that's all the help needed, but if you think you are too good for that, then don't bother running Mentor Roulette.

[Heroman3003]

The real main purpose of that roulette never had been to help or anything, but to be the 'universal' queue filler for anyone doing something first time, to make sure wait isn't too long. That's just how it is.

[Asako]

If you love helping people then help by filling stuff that needs done. That's your job as mentor. It always has been. I'm not sure where you got this mentality that you actively need to be helping people with mechanics. All you need to do is show up and do your job. If you feel your time is being wasted by helping people then you're not really as selfless as you think.

Help comes in many forms. If you plan on sticking with mentor roulette then get used to Main Scenario. There's plenty more to come. Be thankful it's no longer the 40 minute version.

If you really want to help people and not care about the reward, then just open duty finder and look for any instance with a number that isn't 0 and queue for it. You can even pick what instance you help people with.

That being said, looking at your attitude on these forums I don't think I'd even want you in my party as a mentor. Terrible attitude to have.

[Mithron]

If you love helping people then help by filling stuff that needs done. That's your job as mentor. It always has been. I'm not sure where you got this mentality that you actively need to be helping people with mechanics. All you need to do is show up and do your job. If you feel your time is being wasted by helping people then you're not really as selfless as you think.

Help comes in many forms. If you plan on sticking with mentor roulette then get used to Main Scenario. There's plenty more to come. Be thankful it's no longer the 40 minute version.

If you really want to help people and not care about the reward, then just open duty finder and look for any instance with a number that isn't 0 and queue for it. You can even pick what instance you help people with.

That being said, looking at your attitude on these forums I don't think I'd even want you in my party as a mentor. Terrible attitude to have.

So much wrong in all of this. There is no world where it is acceptable or good for Mentors to be in MSQ roulette "filling slots." Period. That's not open to debate, that's not open to discussion, that's basic common sense and facts. Those two instances are outliers above and beyond any and all other content in the game by an extremely large margin. Stop failing to understand that basic fact and lowering the quality of the overton window significantly.

My attitude is one of common sense, goodness and righteousness with an intolerance to evil, degeneracy and wrong. I love having mentors like me in my party because it means I do well, provide sound advice when invited for it, and do everything in my power to give you a good time in the game in however you like to play within reason. I don't just rage quit because it's a random Extreme trial or MSQ Dungeon because I have honor and integrity. But that doesn't mean MSQ Dungeons should be in Mentor roulette. I can't help someone watch cutscenes, and that prevents me from helping others who actually need my help. Again, have basic common sense. I shouldn't have to explain this to you in 2024. Anyone who disagrees or thinks otherwise is incapable of honest healthy discussion and is invalid.

[Asako]

So much wrong in all of this. There is no world where it is acceptable or good for Mentors to be in MSQ roulette "filling slots." Period. That's not open to debate, that's not open to discussion, that's basic common sense and facts. Those two instances are outliers above and beyond any and all other content in the game by an extremely large margin. Stop failing to understand that basic fact and lowering the quality of the overton window significantly.

My attitude is one of common sense, goodness and righteousness with an intolerance to evil, degeneracy and wrong. I love having mentors like me in my party because it means I do well, provide sound advice when invited for it, and do everything in my power to give you a good time in the game in however you like to play within reason. I don't just rage quit because it's a random Extreme trial or MSQ Dungeon because I have honor and integrity. But that doesn't mean MSQ Dungeons should be in Mentor roulette. I can't help someone watch cutscenes, and that prevents me from helping others who actually need my help. Again, have basic common sense. I shouldn't have to explain this to you in 2024. Anyone who disagrees or thinks otherwise is incapable of honest healthy discussion and is invalid.

See when you applied to be a mentor, there was a little chat that came up before hand explaining that filling slots is exactly what mentor roulette is. How is it wrong when the game spells it out for you before you even accept.