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  1. #141
    Player Solakor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrus View Post
    After 18 pages this probably sunk in but just look for alternatives that retain the meaning you're attributing to your name instead of clinging to a term a vocal if not big part of the community evidently takes offense at.

    Chibi should come with none of the baggage. If you want to lean into the wise child meaning one of the variants of Chieko could be what you're after like 智栄子, 知瑛子, 知依子 or 智依子

    Skirting the issue by changing the "nonproblematic" part of your name is just going to land you in hotter water the next time someone decides to report you and it's up for GM review. If appealing the decision and/or escalating to a senior GM got you nowhere the company's stance seems clear. They're selling renames for money, handing them out as unwarranted disciplinary action and disgruntling a paying customer in the process seems counterintuitive.

    As evidenced by your new name, this isn't a case of a term being newly added to the automatic filter where you could claim unintentional consequences like a lot of companies had a couple of years back when the rise of ISIS and it's addition to blacklists also hit people using the name Isis. I remember what an uphill battle getting that sorted out was and their evidence was a lot more compelling than yours and the affected communities certainly more united.
    If they've doubled down on an individual judgment that's that, accept it and move on.
    Then why can you use letter Z? And you better not pretend you don't know what i'm talking about. You think they own the letter Z and because of that nobody else can use it? No. That is not how things work.
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    Look. Lalafell players can do whatever they want. They can engage in all the debauchery this game's community has to offer as the next player and their respective race.

    That said, you have to understand and realize the stigma that entails. You don't have to accept it, you can choose to ignore it, but there is little-to-no point in fighting against it. You won't change the views of the vast majority of users who think little of people who play Lalafell in the (E)RP scene or choose to skirt the lines of what is socially acceptable with names like "Loli". Ignore the people who call you names or treat you with disgust, but don't interact with them, don't badger them and open yourself up to more attacks. It really is that simple.

    It is difficult to find sympathy for Lalafell players who are treated poorly by the rest of the community when they often incur the wrath of other players by poking the proverbial sleeping bear whether intentionally or otherwise. You are free to do your own thing with likeminded individuals, but don't waste your breath trying to make other people accept it or to change their minds.
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  3. #143
    Player Solakor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xirean View Post
    I think you should compete in Mental Gymnastics. You'd win all the medals!
    Lmao. Irony incarnate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    This game has an NPC called Hunberct Longhaft with a quest called Stroking the Haft and two Miqo girls involved and THIS is what makes a GM get their panties in a wad?
    There's a glaring difference. Longhaft and his two catgirl assistants are clearly adults.
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    How is it mental gymnastics when the argument has always been the same?
    Loli means little girl appearance.
    Lolicon is what you're all against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petori View Post
    Sidenote: It's quite telling how most of the people who are vehemently against the OP appear to be American.
    Being or not being American has nothing to do with this. Even if we give the OP the benefit of the doubt and assume they didn't know the context of "loli", the name was icky and changing it is completely reasonable.
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    The unavoidable and unpalatable truth is that the source material that the word came from [the 1955 novel by Nabokov] is explicitly problematic. That's the whole point of the novel [allegedly] It is not a catch-all term for youthful girls. There are examples of the word being used in other contexts, for example egl and lolita style fashion but then even on a shallow level the reasons for the aesthetics development is in direct response to and subverting the source material and how it's popularity and controversy influenced the way girls are viewed and treated at large. At the worst it results in shady people hiding behind plausible deniability and at best it's perhaps a display of poor taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solakor View Post
    Then why can you use letter Z? And you better not pretend you don't know what i'm talking about. You think they own the letter Z and because of that nobody else can use it? No. That is not how things work.
    Fine, I'll bite.
    You can use the letter Z because the powers that be at SE have not yet decided that you can't. If they do you can not use the letter Z any more without facing disciplinary action should that use on an SE-operated platform be brought to the attention of a GM.
    The ToS gives them the power to ban anything they like for any reason they like.
    It really is that simple.
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  9. #149
    Player Solakor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrus View Post
    Fine, I'll bite.
    You can use the letter Z because the powers that be at SE have not yet decided that you can't. If they do you can not use the letter Z any more without facing disciplinary action should that use on an SE-operated platform be brought to the attention of a GM.
    The ToS gives them the power to ban anything they like for any reason they like.
    It really is that simple.
    No they can't ban anything for any reason unless there is a clear reason that is against their ToS and that has not happened here. Also do you understand how ridiculous it would be if you couldn't use letter z? This is going back to the monkey age in thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solakor View Post
    No they can't ban anything for any reason unless there is a clear reason that is against their ToS and that has not happened here. Also do you understand how ridiculous it would be if you couldn't use letter z? This is going back to the monkey age in thinking.
    You pointed out the reason your self, the letter Z is just that, the letter Z, its origin is for language and was simply coopted by something else into a negative connotation.

    While the word you are defending is the opposite, its origin is a negative connotation, how do you think people are going to interpret that?
    Even if you were ignorant to the words origin, the second you learn about it any sane person would think "thats kind of weird" and most likely not even entertain the possibility of correlation and stop using it.
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