Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Stasya]

No offense to you, but this is straight up why Frontline is a joke lmao. Yeah we need better class balance specifically for FL but the idea that premades are "ruining the fun and competitiveness" is laughable.

Because they ruin everything, rats that play behind and stack up battle highs for coordinated burst you can't counter at all.

Idiots who say that this is ok would love to play wow classic when blizzard didnt care about pvp balance so even 40:60 servers was a corpse camp fiesta, they just want to see people miserable and laugh at them while they get +1 on achievement for literally useless mount/gear/ w/e. But nah get good, salted earth that sucks you from 9km away because tickrate is balanced.

I hope SE stops this trash. You want to play with "friends"? Stay in queue and have a high chance to facing against premade you coordinated to click queue button at same time.

[AllenThyl]

I want to die. Like I legitimately want to go play another game. It is so not fun. I don't like pvp, but your F.O.M.O. garbage is killing me.

My man, and I mean that with all empathy, this is literally video game addiction speak. No amount of changes to both the reward system or PvP will ever fix things for you if you don't enjoy a PvP game mode in the first place. Engaging for hours upon hours in an activity that you loathe in the way you described, is neither healthy nor rational. If any of my friends were talking about any of their hobbies the way you do, they would get an intervention.

[AllenThyl]

You post a "shh just go" meme gif, where the person being condescending and telling another to go away is literally the one that disappears. No wonder your takes have all been so lukewarm, when that is your level of media literacy.

Further, your attempts at trying to get street credit by mentioning the Keeper Of Knowledge title isn't the flex you think it is, because it regularly leads to groups of people (instead of just 1) standing around a potential node spawn in the hopes that they can be the one to cap it. In fact, since only capping a node from neutral to your team counts, letting the other team uncap the node and then recapping it is indeed an effective way to grind this achievement. Except that this behavior directly hamstrings a team's chance to win. Several times I have had the misfortune to actually experience some known achievement hunters who would spend the whole game begging in chat to just let them cap the nodes, so that they can be done with the achievement.

Also, you deride commanders for making so many bad calls, and you just go and do the "obviously right move". But I highly doubt that you employ the same level of scrutiny all the times the commander made the correct call, but in your arrogance you did whatever the hell you wanted and then failed. You personally might be a very good PvP player, but just like good old Mawlzy, you always come to the rescue of the worst of the worst elements of the Frontline experience like the icelickers. As I said, the enabler community is a plague upon this game mode.

[Ardeth]

My man, and I mean that with all empathy, this is literally video game addiction speak. No amount of changes to both the reward system or PvP will ever fix things for you if you don't enjoy a PvP game mode in the first place. Engaging for hours upon hours in an activity that you loathe in the way you described, is neither healthy nor rational. If any of my friends were talking about any of their hobbies the way you do, they would get an intervention.

To be fair, it's in what you qouted. I like the game enough. They've made some rock stupid decisions here and there with directions and the like, but my issue is the F.O.M.O. items inside the battlepass. I'm sorry, I mean the Series system. I HAVE to participate in this clown fiesta garbage content to progress it. There is literally no other way. Now I don't have to do it. There's an argument to be made there, but if I don't, the items effectively go away forever. Now, since I didn't invent this dogshit system, I have to operate within its rules. You can feign mortality all you want and virtue signal until the cows come home, but the fact remains that this mode sucks. It's not fun and for a multitude of reasons.

You speak of addiction to me as I am saying my peace about to unsubscribe till more than likely the end of this dogshit expansion. Maybe longer. Honestly, everything from the story to the content is so stale that I thought it came out of a foodbank box.

The point is let me have my feedback. Saying it's shit. Which it is. Is still feedback.

Have a good day.

[Divinemights]

Because they ruin everything, rats that play behind and stack up battle highs for coordinated burst you can't counter at all.

Idiots who say that this is ok would love to play wow classic when blizzard didnt care about pvp balance so even 40:60 servers was a corpse camp fiesta, they just want to see people miserable and laugh at them while they get +1 on achievement for literally useless mount/gear/ w/e. But nah get good, salted earth that sucks you from 9km away because tickrate is balanced.
I hope SE stops this trash. You want to play with "friends"? Stay in queue and have a high chance to facing against premade you coordinated to click queue button at same time.

Before you are going to bash me because my support on Premade, let me emphases that I am lone wolf on Frontline; especially all frontline games played on this alt character (main i occasionally duo with a frined0

You are red herring
The premade is never the issue for Frontline; it is the people who refused to improve, it is the people who free load due to their laziness and it is also people not taking actions against these parasites
Those who with weak mind and self confidence made out of glass (the strawberries) also contribute to the problem because they would rather waste GM's time and resource just becuase someone perform an emote on their knockout body
Free loaders and feeders are the true problem and premade merely a by product because of these parakites

Until something can be done to purge these parasites off Frontline, people should have right to play as Premade.

[embersolaris]

Compile your hatred for Frontlines here. Seems to be a million threads with the same general sentiments that go on for months at a time. Just put all your rage here. Especially when that Samurai LB's you, RNG steals a win from your team, or you just get pulverized to dust by DRK/AST premades.

We all want front lines to be a fun experience, which it currently IS NOT. This is a fundamental fact of the game mode. It's not fun for solo queuers, it's not fun for premades, it's not fun for the players who just want their free experience for the day.

We are given maps that have;

Too many PvE elements.
RNG being too much of a deciding factor in victories.
Flawed, unbalanced design.

Yes, the netcode is a problem with PvP. Yes the community has become apathetic to the problems with PvP as a whole. Those aren't reasons strong enough to stop us from constantly complaining about the same issues for 6 months at a time until they EVENTUALLY address them... Half heartedly.

I genuinely agree with this so much. My biggest issue with Frontlines right now is that people will have three-four DRKs on a team, and use that advantage to pull other players into giant AOEs and just spam kills. It's absolute insanity and just makes it genuinely not fun for other players. If you wanna be an edgelord and do that over and over again, play Rival Wings or CC. Don't do it in frontline. It's lame and makes it so much less fun for others. I'm fine with it being chaotic, that's part of the reason I *love* frontlines. It's just... eh. If you want a game with PVP so bad, play League or Smite. Don't make it unenjoyable for casual players.

[embersolaris]

Skimming the thread has been a little relieving to see some are having common issues with frontlines. In particular salted earth...
Admittedly I'm still pretty new to FF14 PvP, but feels like the design of Dark Knights heavily impacts the game mode way more than it should. I'm having a fun time, overall though.

Regardless I guess it can't heard to dump my own thoughts too so far...

Generally feels like some things in front lines and pvp overall could use some adjusting. Salted earth on its own and as a concept isn't too bad, it's quite similar to what I remember dealing with in some other MMOs like Warhammer's Choppa/Slayer. However I feel like if DRKs can do a draw in AoE action, they

1. shouldn't be able to do it with so little to no risk(their LB in particular)
2. the radius should be trimmed down since they can leap to a target(I think it's silly that you can be yanked back in after a repel shot/leap back)

Although I started off as a BLM and main as Pictomancer, I've been queuing more as bard in FL because the silence/bind helps A LOT when/if it works. That unfortunately isn't always reliable and can be pretty difficult if the team has more than one DRK or uses their LB. Almost feel obligated to do it now since that feels like the best way to generally have a better experience solo.I can't catch them all, but it helps...

One thing I did notice is that there also isn't much of a form of diminishing returns/immunity after being having an affect placed on you. Sometimes it's just wild to me how many times I've been yanked around and I'm unsure if its the server being weird or that there just is no cap or diminishing of CC actions. Highest I've counted so far is 5 times(DRK leaped at me, I repel shot out of their salted earth and got SEed several times by other DRKs in the team).

I don't take FL very seriously and enjoy the chaos of the mode, but it'd be nice to have some things looked into.

Agree with this 100000000000%!!!!

[Atreus]

Because they ruin everything, rats that play behind and stack up battle highs for coordinated burst you can't counter at all.

Idiots who say that this is ok would love to play wow classic when blizzard didnt care about pvp balance so even 40:60 servers was a corpse camp fiesta, they just want to see people miserable and laugh at them while they get +1 on achievement for literally useless mount/gear/ w/e. But nah get good, salted earth that sucks you from 9km away because tickrate is balanced.

I hope SE stops this trash. You want to play with "friends"? Stay in queue and have a high chance to facing against premade you coordinated to click queue button at same time.

Sounds like you're projecting hard with that miserable/laughing comment, but alright.

You're upset about Salted Earth? Understandable. It's abusable but that has nothing to do with the players or groups you encounter.

You're mad about coordinated burst and players knowing when to engage and disengage? ... k, yeah, that's why I'm calling bullshit on people in this thread. The disingenuousness of people wanting to farm the fodder that queue up for their rewards, but as soon as decent players show up and YOU become the fodder, it's an outrage.

[Bobby66]

Because they ruin everything, rats that play behind and stack up battle highs for coordinated burst you can't counter at all.

Idiots who say that this is ok would love to play wow classic when blizzard didnt care about pvp balance so even 40:60 servers was a corpse camp fiesta, they just want to see people miserable and laugh at them while they get +1 on achievement for literally useless mount/gear/ w/e. But nah get good, salted earth that sucks you from 9km away because tickrate is balanced.

I hope SE stops this trash. You want to play with "friends"? Stay in queue and have a high chance to facing against premade you coordinated to click queue button at same time.

How would that work on DC that only have one match going at a time? The premades would still get pops with non premades.

[Elfidan]

You post a "shh just go" meme gif

Yeah, you don't really deserve more than a quickly pasted gif. It only takes a glance to see what's going on with you.