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  1. #501
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliriah View Post
    Some people prefer pvp to be about fighting other players rather than hitting a giant crystal. Also a lot of players understandably don't even care about whether their team is winning or losing.
    You can PvP other players when and where it makes sense to do so. Also, personally I don't find it understandable not to be invested in whether the team I've joined wins or loses.
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  2. #502
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    You can PvP other players when and where it makes sense to do so. Also, personally I don't find it understandable not to be invested in whether the team I've joined wins or loses.
    Given that anyone who plays FL is, in the broadest sense, a gamer, the reason many people are not invested in W/L is a major indictment of how they experience FL. In other words, we're dealing with a community whose first instinct is to try to win, but something about FL is so toxic that the instinct is purged from them like ohh ick that is a terrible metaphor, Jessa, let's not go down that path.
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  3. #503
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    I mean, if my team had been more focused on ice today, rather than chasing a team to base, causing us to lose have our big ice and a lot of deaths since the third team came in and stole it, we would’ve won. But yea, keep saying not focusing on the ice is more important
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianYmir89 View Post
    I mean, if my team had been more focused on ice today, rather than chasing a team to base, causing us to lose have our big ice and a lot of deaths since the third team came in and stole it, we would’ve won. But yea, keep saying not focusing on the ice is more important
    Providing an example of what not to do doesn't invalidate what I said.

    Sometimes, yes, it makes sense to have some of your team on the ice but they can't be so tunnel-visioned that one or two teams can just come in and pick you off. So you may need to dedicate a few people or most of your team, depending upon circumstances, to getting off the ice.

    Likewise, what good is your taking the ice going to do if the other 2 teams manage to get good numbers of BH and your team doesn't get any? Good luck in that situation, even with Shatter.
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    Look at it this way: if you get BH in shatter, you lick ice faster and more efficiently

    They're not mutually exclusive.
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    IMO they should've revamped Secure and deleted Shatter. Shatter wasn't fun before, but this new one is even worse.
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  7. #507
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    Providing an example of what not to do doesn't invalidate what I said.

    Sometimes, yes, it makes sense to have some of your team on the ice but they can't be so tunnel-visioned that one or two teams can just come in and pick you off. So you may need to dedicate a few people or most of your team, depending upon circumstances, to getting off the ice.

    Likewise, what good is your taking the ice going to do if the other 2 teams manage to get good numbers of BH and your team doesn't get any? Good luck in that situation, even with Shatter.
    Well, seeing as my team was just down 300 from winning grabbing your big ice seems a tad more important than fighting another team. And having a dedicated ice team doesn’t mean anything when the entirety of the third team is killing that group while grabbing the ice.
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  8. #508
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    Quote Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas View Post
    You can PvP other players when and where it makes sense to do so. Also, personally I don't find it understandable not to be invested in whether the team I've joined wins or loses.
    I want to kill players, I don't care about the score. Simple as. If they was open world pvp I would do that instead.
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  9. #509
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvianYmir89 View Post
    Well, seeing as my team was just down 300 from winning grabbing your big ice seems a tad more important than fighting another team. And having a dedicated ice team doesn’t mean anything when the entirety of the third team is killing that group while grabbing the ice.
    You seem to have completely misunderstood what I wrote, since I never suggested that it makes sense to have a group focussed on their ice while another team is focussed on them. If you re-read my second paragraph it states the complete opposite of this.
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  10. #510
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliriah View Post
    I want to kill players, I don't care about the score. Simple as. If they was open world pvp I would do that instead.
    You do you, as long as what you do contributes positively (i.e. you don't lose points) to the team score.
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