Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[IDontPetLalas]

I think they're more upset that the only way you can reasonably win in Frontline nowadays is if you happen to get multiple premades with DRK, AST, DRG, and whatever other meta jobs in your alliance. If you don't see any of those compositions, well, gg.

That is NOT how Frontline is supposed to be, but since SE refuses to put any modicum of effort into balancing this mode, this is what we're left with.

Well, interesting observation. What do you consider to be "reasonably win"? Because unless you're looking for the proverbial 70% winrate or higher, you can get a decent winrate without stacking "multiple premades". Unless Primal is suddenly becoming an exception due to the recent travel restrictions.

[Guesswhat]

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It always helps to complain on these forums. Today I got in teams that actually played, mostly, like 3/4. Probably an exception to the rule though.

[Gaiinahat]

O_o

Seriously though, considering the player base, frontline is a broken mess that incentivizes griefing.
It's no longer a place for those who actually likes the mode. And there isn't really any way to fix it. Too broken.
Tbh, I'd rather see it deleted at this point. Kinda curious on 7.1 though, but no high hopes.

Agree Agree Agree Agree.

The system has way too many flaws and loopholes that are too easy to exploit. PvP is not about how many exploits can we abuse to obliterate the other teams as fast as possible, rack up as many points as we can, and flaunt how "got gud" we are. That's just BS.

PvP should be about skill, and can my skill vs your skill take you out before you take me out. There are people on the other side of them characters. They are not NPCs to picked off like in a game of Duck Hunt. That is what pisses me off the most: the dehumanization of our fellow players. The spirit of PvP has long gone out the window with these Abusers of Exploits.

That is what's driving new people with an interest in PvP away. That's exactly why I walked away.

[FatCatEnjoyer]

please tell me what exploits are being used

[Guesswhat]

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What I meant wasn't bugs or glitches or anything like that. I'm talking about the players. Imo the playrebase is way too dgaf, yolo, "I'm only here for exp", etc, etc. There is only a small minority who actually likes the mod, and want to play. You can spot those players, 'cause they are actually pushing the enemy properly, and aren't purely fighting troll-tanks backline. K/A/D + DMG numbers doesn't mean much if team can't push the enemy (welp, unless all teams suxs, which, to be honest, happens quite often ).

When peeps talk about "exploits", if I'm not mistaken, it's referred to bad(ish) design (for FL specifically) combined with sub-par netcode/ticks (considering this is a AAA game). DGAF players + the heavy emphasis on AOE + cc locks + confusing netcode/lag/ticks isn't a good combo for a casual non-PvP playerbase like FFXIV's playerbase.
A good example of bad design considering the physical reality is Purify. On paper, it sounds good, but the designers/devs have taken little to no consideration to the inconsistent netcode/lag. The player may react too quick when they get CCd, use Purify, but the server didn't recognize you being CCd, so NO IMMUNITY FOR YOU! A quick fix for Purify would be to make you immune to CC no matter if you're actually in any CC or not, thus bypassing the netcode problem entirely. It's less fancy, sure, but at least now, as a designer, you recognize the physical reality.
"LOL, I've never had any problems with Purify, LOL, LOL, you suck!". Good for you!

To be clear, even though I consider the actual players to be the biggest wall for "serious" FL players to enjoy the mode, I don't blame them due to said reasons above, which are on SE's shoulders. In other words: The players are the direct reason, SE is the indirect reason. It's fun to play when peeps actually care. When the community arrange events, the matches are 10x more fun on average.

[FatCatEnjoyer]

they did... exactly that?

[Guesswhat]

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LOOOL, trying to be smart? 6.55! A bit late no?!?!? Like 1.5+ years in.

[Gunz_Zbestest]

please tell me what exploits are being used

I think they mean it like a fighting game, where your friend keeps using the same attack combo, and keeps punching you into a corner, until you learn to counter it, or knock the controller out of your little brothers hand lol.

[Gunz_Zbestest]

Seriously though, we need an immunity button to displacement actions. Not even a counter. A 5 second "arms length" would be a start

[Apowowo]

LOOOL, trying to be smart? 6.55! A bit late no?!?!? Like 1.5+ years in.

????????????
It doesn't matter if it's a year or ten centuries late; They answered your complain by showing they changed Purify so Resilience will now be granted unconditionally, why are you answering like that