Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Cidel]

We both simply have a different analysis of the FL situation based on our own experiences. You say 3rd place backstabbing 2nd place to secure 2nd place and let 1st place win is a rare occurrence, meanwhile my past 5 matches were exactly that scenario (on different maps too).

While 3rd pulling down 2nd happens now, it can happen more frequently when higher rewards are involved.

Like I said before, people will take the path of least resistance. Ever seen what happens when (let's say) red and blue pinch yellow at the mouth of their big ice area in Shatter and then yellow backs up into their big ice spot? Red and blue will usually converge and start attacking each other instead of one of them looping around and hitting yellow from the back ramp. I highly doubt that reducing 3rd place rewards would make people play correctly.

We can agree to disagree because you won't convince me this is a good idea and I won't convince you that people would just sabotage 2nd place for comparatively easier tomes.

Its a rare occurrence for purely wanting a marginally higher reward. That's not to say it won't happen because the 3rd place team is full of aimless sheep following an equally clueless person who happens to be running towards the 2nd place team, or the current 2nd place team spent most of the game getting greedy and back-capping 3rd place's points so they refuse to want to cooperate in a push against 1st place.

The same logic can be applied to two teams more frequently focusing-down 1st place if the rewards are even higher. So that is to say, nothing changes.

The path of least resistance to what though? If they want more mogtomes they'll pick a different, more lucrative content if they're trying to farm it. That's the path to least resistance. Not fight for 2nd place for the same amount of mogtomes you can get for getting rolled in Rival Wings.

To the Shatter example, red and blue converging on each other isn't because they're actively trying to sabotage each other instead of yellow (who I assume is in 1st in this situation?), it's because they're not totally braindead enough to follow them into their chokepoint while another team is right there, and lack the aptitude of knowing when to back-off; something most people queuing for FL seem to lack. Reducing 3rd place rewards keeps lethargic play from being productive as far as mogtomes are concerned. Seriously doubt people would put in that much effort to sabotage 2nd place for 2 more mogtomes and run the risk of they themselves landing in 3rd.

[Kurbb]

Its a rare occurrence for purely wanting a marginally higher reward. That's not to say it won't happen because the 3rd place team is full of aimless sheep following an equally clueless person who happens to be running towards the 2nd place team, or the current 2nd place team spent most of the game getting greedy and back-capping 3rd place's points so they refuse to want to cooperate in a push against 1st place.

The same logic can be applied to two teams more frequently focusing-down 1st place if the rewards are even higher. So that is to say, nothing changes.

The path of least resistance to what though? If they want more mogtomes they'll pick a different, more lucrative content if they're trying to farm it. That's the path to least resistance. Not fight for 2nd place for the same amount of mogtomes you can get for getting rolled in Rival Wings.

To the Shatter example, red and blue converging on each other isn't because they're actively trying to sabotage each other instead of yellow (who I assume is in 1st in this situation?), it's because they're not totally braindead enough to follow them into their chokepoint while another team is right there, and lack the aptitude of knowing when to back-off; something most people queuing for FL seem to lack. Reducing 3rd place rewards keeps lethargic play from being productive as far as mogtomes are concerned. Seriously doubt people would put in that much effort to sabotage 2nd place for 2 more mogtomes and run the risk of they themselves landing in 3rd.

Terrible analysis. 3rd place will always go after 2nd place to secure the 2nd place. Why would 3rd place go and feed 1st? Lol. I dont think youve played anything else in the past 10 years. The way people play now is meta, and the easiest way to get rewards. To me, there should be 0 rewards for anyone not first place, that would give everyone an incentive to try to be first place.

[Valence]

Terrible analysis. 3rd place will always go after 2nd place to secure the 2nd place. Why would 3rd place go and feed 1st? Lol. I dont think youve played anything else in the past 10 years. The way people play now is meta, and the easiest way to get rewards. To me, there should be 0 rewards for anyone not first place, that would give everyone an incentive to try to be first place.

If that's how games happen on NA, then I truly question the overall sanity on that region. You guys are something alright.

[Mawlzy]

If that's how games happen on NA, then I truly question the overall sanity on that region. You guys are something alright.

You'll see 3rd going after 2nd occasionally on NA, but it's far more common for 3rd to attack 1st and give 2nd the room to help with the attack on 1st. At least this is the case on Aether.