Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[IDontPetLalas]

Only real reason I see to do it is just to get the achievements for the 100/500 win achievements. Having unique mounts and titles, or a whole gear set in the case of Seal Rock, is a big enough of a chase for some people to try and farm out wins. Especially since their is a daily rotator for FLs, so it's technically more strict to try and farm out depending on people's schedule.

I know people also want to farm for series/job XP and tomes, but I only really see it being valuable during moogle Trove events where Wins gives you more moogle tomes I think? Maybe it might be the best content for farming Wolf Marks, which I think is a pretty good currency to spend if you play PvP a lot, but I don't know if FL is really the best place to farm out Wolf Marks(but I don't think a lot of people are going to form a premade just to farm wolf marks lol)

Yes, but the achievements that you listed are all easily achievable on the schedule that I quoted, with the sole exception of RW, which is better off spammed during events plus the Discord schedule - unless someone is in an extreme rush to get the commander's coat or the complete all titles/achievements for all i.e. Adders/Maelstrom/Flames. No need to farm out wins, and a fair number of people are drowning in wolf marks with a limited way to spend them

[Astralrisk]

Yeah I never know what to do with Wolf Marks now I've got all the glam I want.

In addition to the win farmers, there's also a subset on the Discord servers who are most interested in "padding." Assuming the term means what it did a decade ago (maximizing damage/kills at the cost of playing sub-optimally in terms of team goals), it's again a rather troubling mindset.

Wolf Marks actually can give a lot of reusable stuff for your account if you play PvP enough. Current combat materia, venture tokens, glam prisms, dark matter, even squadron rationing manauals which is really good if you don't have the FC buff active. Highly recommend just dumping your marks into them if you got the room.

Also, it would make sense that people like that would exist in FL, but I also don't want to believe that because of how stupid the idea of parsing a FL is. FL is an incredibly random gamemode, both in terms of objectives and player behavior that trying to parse is a bit cringe. I can bit of wanting to get a big number, but just like PvE parsing if they are just going out of their way to do this kind of behavior, they are just objectively worse players.

Yes, but the achievements that you listed are all easily achievable on the schedule that I quoted, with the sole exception of RW, which is better off spammed during events plus the Discord schedule - unless someone is in an extreme rush to get the commander's coat or the complete all titles/achievements for all i.e. Adders/Maelstrom/Flames. No need to farm out wins, and a fair number of people are drowning in wolf marks with a limited way to spend them

I know the daily rotation is enough to get some people to do it. Me and my friends did so back in ShB to get the field commander coat from Seal Rock. But I do agree that it's not incredibly common for people to want to force themselves to this now, since it's either you play fully into the mass aoe burst meta or you just don't even attempt at all which is incredibly lame.

[Eastwall]

idk if that is still the case, but that made me INSTANT STOP pvp :
PLD could invuln an ally idk hwo exatcly, and that ally was free to take the objective

Yes, it was completely busted. paladin can cover someone, then that person can safely claim the flag in onsal. It got fixed pretty quickly.

[Mawlzy]

Also, it would make sense that people like that would exist in FL, but I also don't want to believe that because of how stupid the idea of parsing a FL is. FL is an incredibly random gamemode, both in terms of objectives and player behavior that trying to parse is a bit cringe. I can bit of wanting to get a big number, but just like PvE parsing if they are just going out of their way to do this kind of behavior, they are just objectively worse players.

I'd suggest if you browse the PvP Discords, "a bit cringe" will prove to be an understatement. It's a classic case of what happens when a small subset of a wider community breaks off into it's own, self-enclosed bubble, and creates cultural norms completely at odds with those of the larger community. It's magnified in this specific case because of the systemic abuse that it encourages.

[Rueby]

It got fixed pretty quickly.

Quickly? That issue went on for months before it got fixed... I remember people on the forums saying it was working as intended and that there's no issue with it. That was funny...

[Mawlzy]

Quickly? That issue went on for months before it got fixed... I remember people on the forums saying it was working as intended and that there's no issue with it. That was funny...

I stopped playing paladin it was so embarrassing.

[Rueby]

I stopped playing paladin it was so embarrassing.

It was but I also stopped playing onsal when that happened and after how long it took before it was fixed I just quit actively playing frontline. I don't think they care much about that mode that got the short end of the stick in favor of CC which probably has a total of 20 people or something playing it on one DC

[Mawlzy]

It was but I also stopped playing onsal when that happened and after how long it took before it was fixed I just quit actively playing frontline. I don't think they care much about that mode that got the short end of the stick in favor of CC which probably has a total of 20 people or something playing it on one DC

Given that FL has a much bigger player base, I'd like to give SE credit and assume they'd fix it if they could. The problem I see is that, every iteration, part of the player base looks for ways to maximally exploit the new rule/skillset. I understand why people do that, and suspect a large part of the problem is that balancing for solo players and premades simultaneously might be literally impossible. Like you might be able to do it by setting all the LB CD timers so they're out of phase or something, but again this is the tail wagging the dog IMO.

[VictorSpoils]

Quickly? That issue went on for months before it got fixed... I remember people on the forums saying it was working as intended and that there's no issue with it. That was funny...

The threads got moved to "working as intended" even though it still got changed eventually. I guess in terms of semantics it wasn't considered a bug.

[Mawlzy]

The threads got moved to "working as intended" even though it still got changed eventually. I guess in terms of semantics it wasn't considered a bug.

I think in SE's position I woulda called it a bug instead of: "we meant to do that, but yeah it's stupid."