Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Mawlzy]

And even when somebody once brought receipts with their allegations, suddenly new, throw-away accounts spammed the thread with obscenities repeatedly until they got the intended outcome and the thread was nuked out of orbit faster than I've seen any drama-filled thread locked or deleted.

So asking for "proof" here is basically a catch-22, and I don't think reddit fares much better.

Part of the problem arises from a daft application of confidentiality. When a player gets reported for any transgression, the GMs will not tell the accused who reported them. That is obviously very sensible. However, this then gets extended to the forums, when the player reporting the transgressor is perfectly happy to waive their confidentiality in order to share the receipts, and is prevented from doing so through post removal (or worse). Thus we are left with people claiming that the "lack of evidence" of cheating is proof there is none, whereas it's simply an artefact of misapplied confidentiality rules.

[Windfire]

Ah yes, call out the cheats so they can get banned for "name & shame", GL with that buddy. Instead of trying to get folks in trouble, try doing some research on your own, a quick search will show you all kinds of ish that SHOULD get cheats permabanned for and yet either nothing happens or they're given a tiny slap on the wrist.

[Aishaa]

So, it is better to not deal with the problem but complain about it on the forums? These people will never get banned then, you do not have to post names on the forums, create a discord make an investigation team full of the people who are accusing others of cheating and put out a video, post, something. Especially if doing a "little research" is all that is needed to expose these people.

[EmilySummerstar]

Someone in linkshell said they're getting rid of Frontlines? I hope not, it has some problems but it's still pretty fun. I wish they'd fix it rather than just getting rid of it.

[Aravell]

Someone in linkshell said they're getting rid of Frontlines? I hope not, it has some problems but it's still pretty fun. I wish they'd fix it rather than just getting rid of it.

They're not getting rid of Frontlines, but they are reportedly making big changes in 7.1.

[EmilySummerstar]

That's good to hear. Some changes would be refreshing. I used to hate Frontlines too but then I figured how to just play zone. Usually on the flanks.

[Mawlzy]

So, it is better to not deal with the problem but complain about it on the forums? These people will never get banned then, you do not have to post names on the forums, create a discord make an investigation team full of the people who are accusing others of cheating and put out a video, post, something. Especially if doing a "little research" is all that is needed to expose these people.

The purpose of mentioning it on the forums is precisely to raise awareness and to encourage people to report transgressions. Are there not enough PvP Discords already that could address this? Or is that not of interest to them?

[Mawlzy]

I wouldn't be surprised if at least a couple of those PVP Discords (but certainly not all of them) prefer to keep it on the down low because they're havens for exactly the kind of people who like to use cheats, all while cackling with glee that the odds of getting caught are minuscule and the punishment when they are is nearly negligible. Which then just feeds back to the "why bother to report at all" mentality that accounts for *other* kinds of behavior going unchecked.

Wouldn't shock me, particularly since I've seen people on a couple of those Discord servers freely admit to using banned add-ons, though not ones that would give a PvP advantage.

The organization such servers provide would make mass reporting of lethargic play fairly trivial, but again other than organizing premades the substantive content seems rather thin IMO.

[VictorSpoils]

I wouldn't be surprised if at least a couple of those PVP Discords (but certainly not all of them) prefer to keep it on the down low

They are. The only public PVP server on Crystal has zero Frontline premades or queue syncs, just people posting screenshots of their 30-win/5-loss weeks that they attained via other groups.