Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Mawlzy]

I don't disagree. Though I will say that I most often see players give up when they're pit against premades because they feel so demoralized by stacked teams, so they're kind of one in the same issue.

This is precisely what happened this evening. Daytime matches were fun. Then the premade turns up and after a few matches everyone realizes what's happening, to the point one alliance on my team decided to have a beach party on beach to speed up the process. The amount of nastiness is also growing.

[saucyshortcake]

my favorite part of frontline lately is seeing commanders like olivia who dont actually know how to play competitively trying to command on the other two decently designed maps and his team is almost always in third place because he cant figure out that 24 man stack aoe isnt effective when there are multiple map objectives. of course he never streams these days either. but he was in my onsal the other day and his team kept wiping trivial fights while losing almost every single ovoo besides the single one he would go to.

he tries to profess learning strategy and writes guides yet he cant actually figure out anything besides 24 man aoe stacks on shatter.

[Aravell]

I don't disagree. Though I will say that I most often see players give up when they're pit against premades because they feel so demoralized by stacked teams, so they're kind of one in the same issue.

While this might be true, what I've seen on the forums and when I play FL on NA is that a large amount of people think going up against a premade is an immediate loss.

People need to drill it into their heads that a premade is not an invincible force, with the right jobs, you can forcibly shut them down. But if your team is so bad that you can't beat the premade at all, you could always work with the other team.

People give up entirely too quickly. Also it's very strange when people tell premades that they're not anything special and they're abusing meta comps to win matches, yet people also view premades as this unbeatable group of gods that will destroy you if you get close.

[Mawlzy]

While this might be true, what I've seen on the forums and when I play FL on NA is that a large amount of people think going up against a premade is an immediate loss.

People need to drill it into their heads that a premade is not an invincible force, with the right jobs, you can forcibly shut them down. But if your team is so bad that you can't beat the premade at all, you could always work with the other team.

People give up entirely too quickly. Also it's very strange when people tell premades that they're not anything special and they're abusing meta comps to win matches, yet people also view premades as this unbeatable group of gods that will destroy you if you get close.

I guess the truth is somewhere in the middle?

But math don't lie. If premades have a 70%+ win-rate as most report, then if you queue in during one of their sessions and you are not on their team, you have an average chance of winning below 15%. For some players that is highly demotivating. KK beats AA more often than that.

They of course can be beat - 70%+ is not 100% - and I agree it would be more enjoyable if people grit their teeth and attempted to do so, but we have to live in the real FL world.

As to how skilled meta premades are, I'd suggest they're very good at doing something that isn't particularly complicated. The members must also have a massive threshold against the tedium of simplistic repetition.

[Archeron]

Depends on the map. If premades are running shatter, than you might as well start gposing at spawn cause theres nothing you're gonna do to change your teams fate aside from being a sweaty solo DRK commander and praying your team is capable of fighting.

Onsal/Seal rock probably scare the sweatier premades away because the winrates are lower. RNG can decide the winner late game, and jumping on, and slaughtering an entire team only does so much when S and A nodes spawn on the opposite side of the map. Obviously the fragile ego commanders who think winrate is deserving of worship will just opt to wait 2 days until Shatter comes back.

[Aravell]

I just think FL would be a lot more fun if everyone queued in with the mindset of "I want to win!" instead of "Is there a premade in here? Can I just run it down and lose faster?".

I don't expect the general mindset to change, but it would be nice if people actually tried their best rather than phone it in for exp.

[DallsBeep]

I just think FL would be a lot more fun if everyone queued in with the mindset of "I want to win!" instead of "Is there a premade in here? Can I just run it down and lose faster?".

I don't expect the general mindset to change, but it would be nice if people actually tried their best rather than phone it in for exp.

Or maybe if they put as much effort into organizing their own premade as they do coming on the forums to complain about them, they might get that competitive matches they pine for. If I actually gave a damn about this mode as the people here seem to, then that's obviously what I'd do.

What's more, I rarely see anyone provide a solution to the problem rather than just talking about how horridly unfair it all is. This thread reads like a goth girl's diary. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing but being a mood rather than constructive isn't going to solve a problem. A goth girl is happy with her misery. lmao

[Mawlzy]

Or maybe if they put as much effort into organizing their own premade as they do coming on the forums to complain about them, they might get that competitive matches they pine for. If I actually gave a damn about this mode as the people here seem to, then that's obviously what I'd do.

What's more, I rarely see anyone provide a solution to the problem rather than just talking about how horridly unfair it all is. This thread reads like a goth girl's diary. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing but being a mood rather than constructive isn't going to solve a problem. A goth girl is happy with her misery. lmao

Lots of solutions have been presented, including matchmaking and queue separation. Rather than a goth girl's diary, those of us who feel the mode could be improved by such measures are using this thread in a probably futile attempt to catch the devs eye. That's kinda what the forum is for. To lobby for changes to make our experience better.

[DallsBeep]

Lots of solutions have been presented, including matchmaking and queue separation. Rather than a goth girl's diary, those of us who feel the mode could be improved by such measures are using this thread in a probably futile attempt to catch the devs eye. That's kinda what the forum is for. To lobby for changes to make our experience better.

It's just a bunch of people complaining about bullies lmao..that's all this is. Anytime you want to you can get a posse together and go after em in that game mode. A lot of the PVP communities I've been a part of in the past policed themselves in similar ways. If I have a problem with a person in CC, it's solved in CC. It doesn't find it's way to the forums. Meanwhile you and a few other people are just going after people making pre-mades like some gossiping sewing circle. I got second hand embarrassment from reading it at times. I genuinely don't think that's what the forums are for.