Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Mawlzy]

Keep in mind that PvP is being designed by the same people Who released various failed iterations of shatter, routinely took over 6 months to make basic changes to frontlines, and generally don't listen to feedback, or thoroughly test changes prior to implementation. I don't think 7.1 will be the salvation to PvP that is frequently expected.

With their track record, I expect them to triple down on Crystaline Conflict and ignore the other two modes until it's absolutely necessary. I don't think they even are aware of premades being an issue, and they're probably oblivious to anything that happens both outside the scope of Crystaline Conflict, and off of the JP data centers.

You give good reasons to be pessimistic. My limited optimism stems from the fact that there's been a trend to eliminate the abuses committed by parties, along with the fact that flipping a switch for the queue parameters is a light lift. Unfortunately other problems require more work.

[Gaiinahat]

They need to shut down Frontline if they're not going to do anything about the rampant cheating, bots, and wintrading. This is just pathetic the way SE shits all over it's paying customers.

[Archeron]

The major problem I have with them is that PvP requires continous updates. If we look to 6.1 we got a major content dump, and they had a lot of potential "light switch" fixes open to them. They chose not to flip the majority of switches until months, sometimes even years later in the expansion.

7.1 will need to show, not tell. They either implement major changes that rejuvinates PvP, and keep up with minor QoL fixes, (And not just for 5v5 modes), or they let it fester for another 2 years until 8.1. PvP has a lot of potential, I hate to see how much of it they throw away.

[Mawlzy]

The major problem I have with them is that PvP requires continous updates. If we look to 6.1 we got a major content dump, and they had a lot of potential "light switch" fixes open to them. They chose not to flip the majority of switches until months, sometimes even years later in the expansion.

7.1 will need to show, not tell. They either implement major changes that rejuvinates PvP, and keep up with minor QoL fixes, (And not just for 5v5 modes), or they let it fester for another 2 years until 8.1. PvP has a lot of potential, I hate to see how much of it they throw away.

Agreed, any meta will get stale if it's solvable. It's doubly unfortunate the current iteration of FL is a one-trick pony.

[OjiiM]

Ended up in a run tonight where people decided to throw the game. The highs are high in the this mode but things like this really make it a crapshoot as to whether or not you're going to have a good time or not.

[Mawlzy]

Ended up in a run tonight where people decided to throw the game. The highs are high in the this mode but things like this really make it a crapshoot as to whether or not you're going to have a good time or not.

Always difficult to tell whether the appearance of throwing is simply incompetence. But it does illustrate the problems with mixing people of vastly different skill levels and goals.

[Archeron]

I had a similar score in Onsal today, playing on Maelstrom. Flames had a DRK premade, Adders was just a random team. The entire match Adders was constantly hounding us, and attacking us for literally no reason - We didn't throw the game. The other teams threw it for us by forcing us into spending the first 5 minutes of the match brawling on our spawn point. We weren't able to capture anything until the premade finally decided to kill adders.

This is just a massive reason why 1v1v1 on large scale combat is sometimes a Very bad idea. The other two teams dictate whether or not you can win, and they can sabotage you as they please. The real throwing isn't going to come from people on your team, its from the other two teams deciding to single you out sometimes.

[Mawlzy]

This is just a massive reason why 1v1v1 on large scale combat is sometimes a Very bad idea. The other two teams dictate whether or not you can win, and they can sabotage you as they please. The real throwing isn't going to come from people on your team, its from the other two teams deciding to single you out sometimes.

I enjoy the 3-way format, but would definitely like to see team size reduced. It also seems SQEX is living in a pre-Discord fantasy world and fail to appreciate how cross-team voice can completely destroy the integrity of the mode. This has even been a problem on JP servers where, by folklore at least, people are supposedly playing for competition rather than wins.

[Inosaska]

The only way to fix frontlines is to reduce the player count to 8 players per team as of right now you can't balance these matches with 72 players in it.

[LibitIncarne]

The only way to fix frontlines is to reduce the player count to 8 players per team as of right now you can't balance these matches with 72 players in it.

Removing 8v8v8 Frontline is the worst thing that has ever happened to PVP.