Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Mawlzy]

Welp, looks like the premades and pluggins from Aether/Primal/Crystal have finally come to roost on Dynamis Frontlines. It's pretty much free and easy kills because the majority of the people here have literally never done PVP before and aren't using the same "advantages" as the rest, so one would literally be better off "nudging" in the spawn because any attempt to participate is futile at this point if you didn't get put on the immortal team.

The beginning of the cynical Dynamis invasion was announced on Discord just before early release of DT. Apparently premade win-rates there exceed even those we normally see on the more populated NA servers. The matches on Aether have been far more interesting as a result. Sorry you've been subjected to the curbstompers. The whole premade meta is a tedious, one-dimensional playstyle, but it won't persist forever. I'm confident the menace will be removed in 7.1.

[Aidorouge]

The beginning of the cynical Dynamis invasion was announced on Discord just before early release of DT. Apparently premade win-rates there exceed even those we normally see on the more populated NA servers. The matches on Aether have been far more interesting as a result. Sorry you've been subjected to the curbstompers. The whole premade meta is a tedious, one-dimensional playstyle, but it won't persist forever. I'm confident the menace will be removed in 7.1.

It's gotten to a point where even if I somehow win in Frontlines, I just assume it's because my team had the higher number of premades and plugin users, and in general I now doubt every single win or kill I've ever gotten over the last year and a half because I can't tell which ones I earned legitimately, and which ones were "rigged" for me by others, my own achievements and victories feel tainted because I can't even say they were *mine* and not just handed to me.

[Mawlzy]

It's gotten to a point where even if I somehow win in Frontlines, I just assume it's because my team had the higher number of premades and plugin users, and in general I now doubt every single win or kill I've ever gotten over the last year and a half because I can't tell which ones I earned legitimately, and which ones were "rigged" for me by others, my own achievements and victories feel tainted because I can't even say they were *mine* and not just handed to me.

100% agree. It's massively demotivational.

[Crusader1]

I totally agree. I have been fighting and reporting the obvious plug in/add on users for a year now. They are shameless and I get so much hatred for calling them out. I have been stalked, impersonated, harassed by these premade cheaters so much over the past year. I will not stop calling out the obvious cheaters and I am beyond disgusted that i pay a sub for a game that allows obvious cheaters to play and bully randos with impunity daily.

[Xael_Jehuty]

It's gotten to a point where even if I somehow win in Frontlines, I just assume it's because my team had the higher number of premades and plugin users, and in general I now doubt every single win or kill I've ever gotten over the last year and a half because I can't tell which ones I earned legitimately, and which ones were "rigged" for me by others, my own achievements and victories feel tainted because I can't even say they were *mine* and not just handed to me.

I speak on the side of people that daily play frontline as a premade: One of the biggest misconceptions about premades is that it's even needed at all to win a game. The cooperation and teamwork of a team, as well as rng, own this game mode. If i solo queued into a game and decided to command, and I had people who want to move as a team and attack as a team, then it'd virtually be no difference. I won't deny the 4-man comp of drk/ast/drg/etc. metas are abused, but team work can actually make the dream work *sometimes.* A group of 4 people can come in and do a lot of damage and knockouts, yes, but they won't always win the game. To say that the presence of a premade in your team is rigged towards your success is ridiculous. My premade can go and do 1 million damage on a team and still lose because the rest of our team could be hitting the team in 3rd place, the nodes are in our spawn and both teams are on us, or even something like our premade itself isn't even doing so well.

To even mention plugin use to win games is even more ridiculous. I don't know anyone personally who uses plugins or cheats or whatever you think they use but if you can show me who is using and what they use, I'd definitely like to know them and report them. I do want to point out too that the in-game macro function is a tool that helps A LOT!!! LIKE A LOT A LOT!!!!
Did you know that if you make a macro that goes:
/wmarkb <bind3>
It'll place a waymarker directly on the the person that is marked with the bind 3 marker. It works really well considering that it still places the marker as long as that person is in render distance. So if you have a pesky dark knight commander on the enemy team you can put a bind 3 marker on them and if they're close, the map will tell you where they are. I know I use it.

[Mawlzy]

I speak on the side of people that daily play frontline as a premade: One of the biggest misconceptions about premades is that it's even needed at all to win a game. The cooperation and teamwork of a team, as well as rng, own this game mode. If i solo queued into a game and decided to command, and I had people who want to move as a team and attack as a team, then it'd virtually be no difference. I won't deny the 4-man comp of drk/ast/drg/etc. metas are abused, but team work can actually make the dream work *sometimes.* A group of 4 people can come in and do a lot of damage and knockouts, yes, but they won't always win the game. To say that the presence of a premade in your team is rigged towards your success is ridiculous. My premade can go and do 1 million damage on a team and still lose because the rest of our team could be hitting the team in 3rd place, the nodes are in our spawn and both teams are on us, or even something like our premade itself isn't even doing so well.

To even mention plugin use to win games is even more ridiculous. I don't know anyone personally who uses plugins or cheats or whatever you think they use but if you can show me who is using and what they use, I'd definitely like to know them and report them. I do want to point out too that the in-game macro function is a tool that helps A LOT!!! LIKE A LOT A LOT!!!!
Did you know that if you make a macro that goes:
/wmarkb <bind3>
It'll place a waymarker directly on the the person that is marked with the bind 3 marker. It works really well considering that it still places the marker as long as that person is in render distance. So if you have a pesky dark knight commander on the enemy team you can put a bind 3 marker on them and if they're close, the map will tell you where they are. I know I use it.

The number of conditional statements in the first part of your post illustrate why it is disingenuous. See also: premade win-rates. We need to live in the real world, friend.

[Aidorouge]

Someone tell me again with a straight face that "premades don't make a difference". Someone tell me again that "cheating doesn't exist".

I have not in my entire time of playing Frontlines seen a match end *this* quickly or the scores so astronomically lopsided. And the worst part is I'M TRAPPED HERE BECAUSE OF THE BLOODY DYNAMIS LOCKDOWN. Dear friggin' god... all of us pretty much just stood and waited in the spawn while red finished destroying our big ice for their ill-gotten win because there was literally no point in trying anymore. Two minutes of mass-nudging around to avoid a kick, while blue futility tried to fight them anyway (and at which point red won on kills and didn't need the big ice after all).

[Crusader1]

I see DK's every single day(same players actually) who use an add on to flawlessly exploit the code and perform their lb when i ninja assassinate or monk lb to survive, over and over multiple times in a match and every match. Sorry dude but no human can time that, without fail over and over and you know it. There are so many cheat apologists and they alwalys say its a macro, man. Sorry but a macro still has to be pressed by a human finger attached to a human brain(which is not that fast).

[Crusader1]

Yep, they are flocking to Dynamis with their "special" abilities and bullying around us randos. I try to report the obvious "special" ones when i can but all i get is hate from cheat apologists.

[Archeron]

Keep in mind that PvP is being designed by the same people Who released various failed iterations of shatter, routinely took over 6 months to make basic changes to frontlines, and generally don't listen to feedback, or thoroughly test changes prior to implementation. I don't think 7.1 will be the salvation to PvP that is frequently expected.

With their track record, I expect them to triple down on Crystaline Conflict and ignore the other two modes until it's absolutely necessary. I don't think they even are aware of premades being an issue, and they're probably oblivious to anything that happens both outside the scope of Crystaline Conflict, and off of the JP data centers.