Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Cidel]

Terrible analysis. 3rd place will always go after 2nd place to secure the 2nd place. Why would 3rd place go and feed 1st? Lol. I dont think youve played anything else in the past 10 years. The way people play now is meta, and the easiest way to get rewards. To me, there should be 0 rewards for anyone not first place, that would give everyone an incentive to try to be first place.

lol. So you call something a "terrible analysis" while regurgitating an even worse idea that would actually have a negative impact on the entire participation overall.

If that's how games happen on NA, then I truly question the overall sanity on that region. You guys are something alright.

You'll see 3rd going after 2nd occasionally on NA, but it's far more common for 3rd to attack 1st and give 2nd the room to help with the attack on 1st. At least this is the case on Aether.

Mawlzy's take is mostly correct as far as Primal goes as well. Obviously 2nd attacking 3rd and vice-versa happens on occasion, but far more often (especially in Seize and Onsal) you'll see the two teams that are down pincer the leading team (if the positioning is feasible) to the point where they trap them in their spawn. I also think people forget about games where the lead actually fluctuates several times because of it. If the two losing teams attack each other, it's over stupid stuff like grudges, eternally fighting over one node nobody seems to be able to claim for minutes on end while ignoring the entire map, or similarly playing cat-and-mouse where nobody wants to back-off. Also don't forget if the 2nd or 3rd place team suddenly has all the tomelith spawns in their base and the other losing team narrow-mindedly pushes them instead of making the effort to circle around to sandwich 1st place. That's a ignorance/laziness issue, not a "3rd doesn't want to feed 1st so attack 2nd instead."

[Atreus]

I don't think it's bad that they continue to add maps to Frontline, but it is perplexing that the we still don't have Astragalos back.

[Valence]

I've always been of a kindly sort with casual players, but there is casual and there is griefer. In today's FL game seeing that literally half my team sitting back on a backwater node one after another while letting the rest of us fight and die even when asked to come and assist, we ended the game under 8min (this wasn't Worqor!), and half the team sure enough had below 4 assists while everybody that participated at least 15-20. I don't even want to imagine what the third team was about because they ended beating us on lethargic play and we ended up second (100/300/700 pts).

Honestly depressing because I don't know what could be done to prevent griefing like this, reporting for lethargic behavior, especially with EU GMs, seems like a long shot, especially if you have to report half the team. Perhaps people that are asking that the daily xp reward from FLs be removed are right.

[tsuchii]

A typical Worqor match:

- 2 teams sweat out with 1200 points each. Both stuck in battle.
- 3rd team with 700 sweeps all the S rank that spawns a million miles away on their side. Free to take because the two top teams are zerging each other.
- Player vs player my butt. More like Player vs Pavement.

Awful

[Aidorouge]

Ah... the old classic of my team harassing 3rd place, right up to their spawn even while they had zero points, always excusing it as "mah battle high" even though they spent half of the match ACTIVELY avoiding 1st place. Then when they FINALLY decide to engage 1st place when the scores got closer... guess who 3rd place spent the rest of the match pinching at every turn to make sure they eventually secured 2nd place for themselves while my team got hard-swapped into 3rd?

People need to start remembering that "as long as they lose" is a powerful motivator, and that teams WILL prioritize vendettas over winning.

[tsuchii]

If they really want players to PVP, they should just remove the variable points in fucking Worqor objectives. RNG deciding the winning match is just NEITHER FUN NOR FAIR AT ALL.

[spoo]

Ah... the old classic of my team harassing 3rd place, right up to their spawn even while they had zero points, always excusing it as "mah battle high" even though they spent half of the match ACTIVELY avoiding 1st place. Then when they FINALLY decide to engage 1st place when the scores got closer... guess who 3rd place spent the rest of the match pinching at every turn to make sure they eventually secured 2nd place for themselves while my team got hard-swapped into 3rd?

People need to start remembering that "as long as they lose" is a powerful motivator, and that teams WILL prioritize vendettas over winning.

you missed a point. the key to success in FL is to split up the moment the gates open. That way you give the other teams the lead ahead, then only try to address the issue when the winning team is 50 points form winning. Until then, just watch your teammate get jumped while on your unicorn mount.

[MayuAmakura]

I'm really tired of doing any frontlines now because team that has tanks / premade tanks is just going to get a free win every single time. No matter how much damage you have, it will be negated due to rampant and other defensive abilities. All of them are super oppressive and hard to beat.

[aereniil]

I'm really tired of doing any frontlines now because team that has tanks / premade tanks is just going to get a free win every single time. No matter how much damage you have, it will be negated due to rampant and other defensive abilities. All of them are super oppressive and hard to beat.

You're right and it may be frustrating at times, but at the end, whereas not taking the developpers decisions into account, all anyone can do is either 1) accept it and cope with it 2) improve up to a much higher level than them (if possible) or 3) leave Frontline (similarly to you).