Tomestone Lockout

[Mostly_Raxus]

and? i thought glam was the true endgame? what about furniture? crafters have entire quest lines that are exclusive to them, entire reward structures.
crafting will be fine, and if its not then its up to the multi billion dollar company to improve it.
past that, players have the power to sell week one FOMO is just as dumb as square selling it.
crafted gear may be a great way to not play the game, but it ruins it for mmo fans, i'm sick of this play week one and quit meta.

[Raven2014]

and? i thought glam was the true endgame?

Only to some, plus only a small part of glam came from crafting.

crafters have entire quest lines that are exclusive to them, entire reward structures.

And so does all other classes? Ever level up a class you don't like to play? A lot of people do, and what we do with those classes when we cap them, we stop playing them. That's me with Ninja, after hit the cap with it, the next time I play the class is when the next expansion come out. But there are other DoW and DoL I play regularly, take them into new dungeon/raid/content and such. For crafter, new gears is part of their content life cycle to keep them engage throughout the expansion. You don't want people to level their crafter to cap then stop playing them.

i'm sick of this play week one and quit meta.

I'm also sick of people complaining about meta when it has always been an optional thing. Don't like the meta? Just don't be part of it. If my gaming time is 10 parts, probably 1 or 2 part of it follow the meta (usually because of Ultimate), but outside of that I often don't care and follow it. Yet I never have issue with finding group or clearing content. What's the point of complaining about other people play style when it doesn't really affect yours? You don't care about week 1 clear? You don't have to. But people who want to should be provided the mean to do so.

[Mostly_Raxus]

Only to some, plus only a small part of glam came from crafting.




And so does all other classes? Ever level up a class you don't like to play? A lot of people do, and what we do with those classes when we cap them, we stop playing them. That's me with Ninja, after hit the cap with it, the next time I play the class is when the next expansion come out. But there are other DoW and DoL I play regularly, take them into new dungeon/raid/content and such. For crafter, new gears is part of their content life cycle to keep them engage throughout the expansion. You don't want people to level their crafter to cap then stop playing them.



I'm also sick of people complaining about meta when it has always been an optional thing. Don't like the meta? Just don't be part of it. If my gaming time is 10 parts, probably 1 or 2 part of it follow the meta (usually because of Ultimate), but outside of that I often don't care and follow it. Yet I never have issue with finding group or clearing content. What's the point of complaining about other people play style when it doesn't really affect yours? You don't care about week 1 clear? You don't have to. But people who want to should be provided the mean to do so.

I'm glad you read my words and told me your entirely irrelevant to the conversation feelings...
I guess i made you mad cause you made a point to tell me you dont like ninja as its listed as my main, weird flex but internet people are special.
Thank you for making my point that a class you find irrelevant still gets play time though.
craters get time gated quest lines called beast tribes, thats content for em, go get you mount pal.
just because you like to bot the market with over priced crafted gear doesn't make it good content.

also you say dont play the meta it dont matter, thats how you play, except in ultimate, there you have to play the meta? so i guess it is relevant then isn't it pal?

you can talk all your casual double speak you want, but we all know that the pfs that get clears lock the ilvl at the crafted gear day one.. sure you dont have to use that crap, but hey you dont have to breath either, thats just your choice..

[Raven2014]

you can talk all your casual double speak you want, but we all know that the pfs that get clears lock the ilvl at the crafted gear day one.. sure you dont have to use that crap

That's not because it's meta, it's because it's the bare MINIMUM. And yes you have to ... if you want to clear on day one. Even before you talk about DPS check, without the crafted gears you literally can not survive some of the unavoidable damage. That's why before main-stat materias were removed, people had to meld VIT regardless of the class. I don't know what the work "meta" meant to you, but it certainly doesn't mean "bare minimum" to most people. Your argument would at least have half of a leg if there is an actual way to achieve the minimum ilvl in week 1, but people choose crafted because it's more "efficient". But alas that's not the case, you literally have to spend at least a whole month to get a full set from normal raid.

Sure, if you have group of 7 good players with crafted gear, and you're the last chump who rocking a full set from the previous tier then it's still possible for "you" to clear. I know because I had played in such a group. But be real, you didn't clear while avoiding the meta, you're simply carried to the clear. If all 8 people are like you, the only thing they would be able to do in the first day/week of raid is to die and that's it.



I guess in a world where everything that goes above the effort that you specifically want to put in are meta, then I guess ... it means trying to meet the bare minimum is meta, heck, even attempting to do savage should be considered meta.

, but hey you dont have to breath either, thats just your choice..

... but then I doubt you're trying to do a proper argument anyway ... my bad.