Feedback: Feeling disappointed by 6.55's narrative, and thus unsure about Dawntrail

[Iscah]

Yes, I thought my post indicated that it's both. It's not just that he time traveled, but rift traveled to a point in time (which necessitates time travel as well), which helps to resolve the contradiction that is occurring with his stopping of his own future.

Oh right, I have most of the frequently-negative posters blocked at this point and didn't notice your previous post.

As for "rift travelling through time", that seems like mixed terms. My understanding (though I could be wrong) is that time travel is Alexander's domain while Omega has the ability to manipulate the dimensional rift, and between them they provided the basis for what the time machine needed to be capable of.

When we time-travel with Alexander it isn't shown to resemble the rift when we use it. The only time that time travel looks like the rift is when Elidibus somehow altered the Ocular portal into a time-portal, and we haven't seen another use of that type of time travel. It's possible that Elidibus devised a further method incorporating both beings' abilities.

Additionally, the Exarch's boast-speech to Emet seemed to list them as two separate things. I don't have the exact quote but it was along the lines of "we tamed the wings of time and grasped the true nature of the rift". One part for Alexander and one part for Omega. It's still somewhat ambiguous maybe, if I've got the words right, but still that's how I took it. Probably also based on the notes in the Twinning.

[Turtledeluxe]

Oh right, I have most of the frequently-negative posters blocked at this point and didn't notice your previous post.

As for "rift travelling through time", that seems like mixed terms. My understanding (though I could be wrong) is that time travel is Alexander's domain while Omega has the ability to manipulate the dimensional rift, and between them they provided the basis for what the time machine needed to be capable of.

When we time-travel with Alexander it isn't shown to resemble the rift when we use it. The only time that time travel looks like the rift is when Elidibus somehow altered the Ocular portal into a time-portal, and we haven't seen another use of that type of time travel. It's possible that Elidibus devised a further method incorporating both beings' abilities.

Additionally, the Exarch's boast-speech to Emet seemed to list them as two separate things. I don't have the exact quote but it was along the lines of "we tamed the wings of time and grasped the true nature of the rift". One part for Alexander and one part for Omega. It's still somewhat ambiguous maybe, if I've got the words right, but still that's how I took it. Probably also based on the notes in the Twinning.

I guess I'm just wondering what "the true nature of the Rift" means. With Alexander it's all closed loops and viewing the future, and Mikoto in SHB has visions of an immutable future via the Echo. With Omega, it can traverse and pull things from alternate dimensions. So how does all of this factor into what G'raha is able to achieve here with creating an entirely new timeline?

This is the only reason I ever brought up consistency, because I do not see it as clear. I see it as something where you need to resolve the contradictions in your own way, or make assumptions. Like for example with Elpis, we didn't know the cause of the Final Days but I don't think that fully explains why we didn't prevent it. Ultimately we/Venat were unable to catch Meteion, unable to defeat Hermes (really?). And what about Venat and everyone else in that timeline, what are the odds that all the major plot points stayed exactly the same? She knew Zodiark was coming before he was ever summoned, and did not successfully prevent that. It's just not very believable imo. According to others, I've been told the orphaned timeline with G'raha still exists. So is that also the case with Elpis, and if not why not?

And Mikoto could not change the future despite knowing it. So is what's really going on the writing is inconsistent? Or is that something unique happened with G'raha?

I'd also point out, G'raha has an overall objective just like we did with Elpis, but didn't know the exact steps to solve it. I would argue that most of his actions were just based on hopes and wishes and were frequently improvised. Maybe he would have caught Meteion if he he came with. In SHB he also mentions "Traveling to other worlds"-- so was he planning to bring that Light to the other reflections orr? I think what he means is alternate universes, another dimension, whatever you want to call it.

Also just a general comment but why is always the self appointed forum white knights who enter discussions and make totally unecessary smart-ass comments? That's probably why you encounter negativity. Having lots of people on block typically means it's a you problem. Just some general advice.

[DPZ2]

We aren't talking about what our partner does when we are away, a partner that I am assuming you would know pretty well or at least much more so than we know Wuk or Tural and have established trust with.

Item #3 was in response to "looks like Urianger is keeping secrets again" ... with a scene that looks more like planning a vacation trip without informing the on-again-off-again boyfriend.

[NanaWiloh]

Item #3 was in response to "looks like Urianger is keeping secrets again" ... with a scene that looks more like planning a vacation trip without informing the on-again-off-again boyfriend.

When is he not keeping secrets.

[LilimoLimomo]

3. Knowing nothing of the petition or the petitioner, stating that this is a secret being "kept" from the Warrior of Light is a bit like saying "My boyfriend doesn't tell me everything about what he does when we are apart."

I replied to a similar comment earlier in the thread, so I'll just suggest reading that because your response suggests you're misinterpreting the nature of my criticism in a similar way. Which is valid, but hopefully my clarification helps.

4. The individuals involved don't know much, if anything, about Tural.

I don't mind that these individuals don't know much about Tural. But they state that there is very little knowledge about Tural in Sharlayan, and that they'll have to dig to find the few scraps of knowledge available in Sharlayan. And it's that — the idea that the greatest collectors and conservators of knowledge on the planet have very little information on Tural — that I find silly.

If they expect us to believe such a thing after playing Endwalker, they need to at least give us a plausible reason why with hundreds of years to prepare, Sharlayan so grossly failed in their duty to Hydaelyn. Because to prepare for a planet-wide exodus — which as we saw in Labyrinthos includes things like collecting and understanding regional animals, vegetation, information about culinary traditions, etc — those in Sharlayan tasked with preparing Tural would invariably learn about the land, it's culture, etc.

[Swordsman]

Precisely, citizen. Now you are starting to understand our position and the penultimate goal of the Weeaboo Police Department. The Lalafells are animals. They don't respect diplomacy or the spoken word, and we cannot treat with them. They only know power and force which is where the Weeaboo Police Department comes in. That is why we fight, citizen.





May your blades never dull.

Lmaoo, stand your ground against them, Lieutenant. Eorzea is counting on you!

[DPZ2]

If they expect us to believe such a thing after playing Endwalker, they need to at least give us a plausible reason why with hundreds of years to prepare, Sharlayan so grossly failed in their duty to Hydaelyn. Because to prepare for a planet-wide exodus — which as we saw in Labyrinthos includes things like collecting and understanding regional animals, vegetation, information about culinary traditions, etc — those in Sharlayan tasked with preparing Tural would invariably learn about the land, it's culture, etc.

As I observed it in-game, the Sharlayan effort was collect items from around the world and store them in Labyrinthos for later study and such efforts were only accelerated by the appearance of the Towers. I highly doubt that there was much rush to this effort to learn everything.

It's not as though Hydaelyn told them "oh, and get it done by 1572".

As for vegetation and culinary traditions ... why bother? The Sharlayans had already developed the perfect cuisine and the vegetation necessary to create it.

Frankly, for all of the high-minded knowledge of the Sharlayans, the majority of scholars were not focused on a Trip to the Moon, nor was there any particular urgency to the matter until we returned from the Moon after killing Zodiark.

You know, when the Final Days started to rear its ugly head?

[Alleo]

I understand your feelings OP because when I heard that we are going to Tural to help with finding the new ruler I was not really happy. Unlike for you this patch has decreased my fear about it since it was stated that we are not 100% behind her and will check out the situation in Tural for ourselves. So I would take a guess and say that our character would back out of helping her if we found out that she was a bad guy.

Honestly I envy Estinien. Our character is called a adventurer again but somehow needs to be pushed to go to other countries. I would have enjoyed it a bit more if we simply checked up on Vrtra and his sister, meet Estinien there and decided to travel with him to new lands. This could have given us a chance to explore Tural free from any expectations. Any kind of choice about the next ruler could have come later in the story.

[Ath192]

I understand your feelings OP because when I heard that we are going to Tural to help with finding the new ruler I was not really happy. Unlike for you this patch has decreased my fear about it since it was stated that we are not 100% behind her and will check out the situation in Tural for ourselves. So I would take a guess and say that our character would back out of helping her if we found out that she was a bad guy.

Honestly I envy Estinien. Our character is called a adventurer again but somehow needs to be pushed to go to other countries. I would have enjoyed it a bit more if we simply checked up on Vrtra and his sister, meet Estinien there and decided to travel with him to new lands. This could have given us a chance to explore Tural free from any expectations. Any kind of choice about the next ruler could have come later in the story.

We are absolutely not an adventurer anymore. We are an important political figure in society and a weapon of mass destruction people like wielding for their own interests. Whatever we do, governments take notice and it has massive political implications.

A far cry from the free souls adventurers are depicted as.

[Xirean]

We are absolutely not an adventurer anymore. We are an important political figure in society and a weapon of mass destruction people like wielding for their own interests. Whatever we do, governments take notice and it has massive political implications.

A far cry from the free souls adventurers are depicted as.

This is unfortunately very true. The whole of IS feels like a sudo SCP for the WoL by the Eorzean Alliance. I doubt this kind of thing would ever come up, but I would be very unsurprised to one day find there are entire departments dedicated to just keeping track of where the WoL is and they do.

Edit: The EW role quests in Radz felt like a precursor to that for me.