These Relics Aren't Relicing

[LynxDubh]

Just to remind everyone here - the 10 minute forced queue was deliberately installed by SE when Endwalker was released. As a safequard for new players to "not wait for a long period of time". Echo buff was supposed to compensate for the lack of players.

And this was one of the worst F-ing change EVER!

Explanations:

For new player:

• After 10 minutes, you get thrown into the DR with a 2-3 poor saps at best (because Bozja raids are kinda dead, amazing future-proofing right here, SE). And if someone will, understandably, nope-out - here goes ~20-50% of your DPS, lmao
• The Echo buffs scaling gets extremely wonky when it comes to party less than 8 players.
• Twice Comes Ruin makes obscene HP from Echo quite pointless. And dying causes damage penalty that, combined with general lack of proper essences, turns the raid into a two hour SLOG! Worst experience ever.

For old player:

• As a smart cookie, they all resorted to using Party Finder (again, good job with future-proofing, SE). But the 10 minute forced timer was taking its toll on a relatively quick 15-20 minute DR speedrun.

In summary:
With one simple change SE managed to ruin the DR both for old and new players. Hell, let them wait for longer amount of time but get a decent 8 player party or get dragged along with a passing-by Party Finder group.

SE really needs to learn how to keep older content relevant (and it applies to Duty Roulette too, by the way). Bozja would not be half as bad if they were peoperly addressing its issues.

And, for Endwalker, SE overcorrected everything and threw relic grind out of the game. Like they often do.

Stop! Our baby was in that bathwater!

[OdinelStarrei]

Stop! Our baby was in that bathwater!

What are you talking about?

The COMMUNITY SAID they didn't want a dirty baby! It's not OUR fault YOU GUYS as a community of thousands cannot come to a universal consensus!

We're just doing what you said!!! Maybe you should take a break!

[TaleraRistain]

I don’t really know why DR wasn’t added to the alliance roulette. Yes it’s a very different experience from regular alliance raids, but the difficulty isn’t much different. It’s technically more punishing because you are instant KOed if you get hit twice, but the mechanics aren’t that difficult and it’s very easy to revive players.

It probably has to do with role requirements. The setup of the Bozja raids in terms of what raid formation and roles are required is much different than alliance raids.

[SieyaM]

Honestly, I feel like the books from ARR are a good format for relics. They have you do a variety of content, even some open world content, in exchange for progress towards your relic. The number of books it has you complete is a little too much and as a result you do end up repeating a lot of things.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Just to remind everyone here - the 10 minute forced queue was deliberately installed by SE when Endwalker was released. As a safequard for new players to "not wait for a long period of time". Echo buff was supposed to compensate for the lack of players.

And this was one of the worst F-ing change EVER!

Explanations:

For new player:

• After 10 minutes, you get thrown into the DR with a 2-3 poor saps at best (because Bozja raids are kinda dead, amazing future-proofing right here, SE). And if someone will, understandably, nope-out - here goes ~20-50% of your DPS, lmao
• The Echo buffs scaling gets extremely wonky when it comes to party less than 8 players.
• Twice Comes Ruin makes obscene HP from Echo quite pointless. And dying causes damage penalty that, combined with general lack of proper essences, turns the raid into a two hour SLOG! Worst experience ever.

For old player:

• As a smart cookie, they all resorted to using Party Finder (again, good job with future-proofing, SE). But the 10 minute forced timer was taking its toll on a relatively quick 15-20 minute DR speedrun.

In summary:
With one simple change SE managed to ruin the DR both for old and new players. Hell, let them wait for longer amount of time but get a decent 8 player party or get dragged along with a passing-by Party Finder group.

SE really needs to learn how to keep older content relevant (and it applies to Duty Roulette too, by the way). Bozja would not be half as bad if they were peoperly addressing its issues.

And, for Endwalker, SE overcorrected everything and threw relic grind out of the game. Like they often do.

Twice come ruin is an easily avoidable mechanic if you... you know... actually do mechanics.

The only thing TBH I think they should do at this point is just nerf the HP values of the bosses inside. The duty is fairly soloable with proper buffs/actions. The only difficult part when at less than 4 people is the DPS check phase of the battle with the 4 bosses.

[Canadane]

They're called 'Relics' for a reason.

I mean technically only the level 50 ones were relics, right?

[Mostly_Raxus]

you all know square, once they go lazy they never backtrack, so just like so many other features in game, prepare for the "economy class" relic quest from here on out.. but hey at least we have a cash shop with a 10$ charge to change eyes color or get a tan...

now take your weapon that was taken from the 1st raid tier of DT because the devs were to busy ripping us off with ff16 to actually develop a relic...

[MonteCristo]

I hard-disagree though.

I prefer this method of obtaining relics (which is actually the same as every other iteration, it just lets you choose what thing you're going to grind). And I like the look and effect on the final stage weapons.

Stop it....There is zero grind u can mindlessly hit a hunt mob one time with zero brain cells for 2 hours and get free relics...you CANT be serious

[AesirSyn]

I like the tech feel. I think it is a nice break from the norm. My big beef is that the Manderville weapons don't seem to be sized to smaller models properly. They are all way too large to look good. Ex: the scythe on my Miqo'te female makes it look like she is going to fall over at any given minute. I would like to see a slight readjustment to how top heavy and large they are on small models.

[LalafellDown]

I skipped this relic quest all together. I know the devs said more people done then this ti e around. I understand that’s due to it being way easier, but the whole expansion I skipped. Everything they released was a big downgrade. For the relic I didn’t like the story with hildibrand. If it was anything else lore wise I would enjoy it. I wish we traveled worlds for the relic and learned what happened to the other planets.