These Relics Aren't Relicing

[Eraden]

Here's the thing that I don't understand about this argument...

Let's say that in the past, FFXIV developed a reputation for having a major FOMO environment, where there was this feeling that a player was obligated to log in every day and grind daily in order to keep up with the game's increasing demand for better gear and higher stats, even on the casual level. In other words, if you took a break, your gear would fall so behind that when you returned, you'd need to spend a lot of time simply grinding and farming materials to update your gear enough to continue new story segments or participate in new content. Then, EW comes along and changes that so that players can now comfortably take breaks without putting themselves in a situation where grind will be a requirement to jump back into the game later. That is an environment in which this argument makes sense to me.

But that is not the story of FFXIV. This game has always been an MMO that allowed you to play other games, take a break, or just casually log in to hang out with your friends without putting you in a situation in which getting back into the game later becomes a chore. And yet, at the same time, it offered unimportant, optional rewards that players who were up-to-date on the game's content could grind out if they wanted to, giving them something they could sink time into when they want to play the game.

So what sounds like the better environment for the most amount of people, an MMO that does not pressure you to log in every day, but offers objectives you can grind out if you would like--objectives that do not gate players behind engaging with new content or progressing the story? Or an MMO that does not pressure you to log in every day, but also does not offer any sort of grind for players who like grind, and anyone who has gotten their account current must wait until the next update in order for them to have new content to play?

Mao comments were nots directed at those whats want grinds. Mao comments were directed at those whats complainings about Yoshi saying to take breaks and play other games. As for grindings, Mao has no problem with thems as long as thems nots borings. As per Mao earlier comment, Mao wantings QUALITY content. Example of quality grindings would be Skyscale questline in GW2.

[ty_taurus]

Mao comments were nots directed at those whats want grinds. Mao comments were directed at those whats complainings about Yoshi saying to take breaks and play other games. As for grindings, Mao has no problem with thems as long as thems nots borings. As per Mao earlier comment, Mao wantings QUALITY content. Example of quality grindings would be Skyscale questline in GW2.

But I think that is a part of the concern. Before EW, no one had an issue with him encouraging players to take breaks and to not force themselves to log in if they don't want to. Because back then, it was all about what you wanted to do. Do you want to play FFXIV? Awesome! If you have backlogged content to complete, then you can work on that. If you're caught up with the game's content, then there will be rewards you can grind for. And that's something some players want to have. But once that aspect was taken away from EW, well now "Play other games" feels more like "Stop playing this game." whether you want to or not. It feels like you're being forced out.

It's a wonderful thing that FFXIV has always been designed to try and avoid FOMO, and to let players play the game at their leisure, but since it is a game dependent on getting people to log in, not providing those extra rewards to grind for becomes antithetical to financing the game. And for players who feel obligated to log in to keep their house, it can feel like they aren't getting their money's worth in their subscription fees because there isn't any new repeatable content for them to play. Which isn't to say that there's no content, because there is, but there's a difference between backlog content, and new goals to aim for.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Cleared all 19 in 6d6h24m since it was first implemented. Method? Semi-afking at major city aetheryte waiting for hunt train notifications while being tabbed out of the game to do something else whether that’s work or other entertainment. Sprinkled with daily roulettes & some random Orbonne, Ridorana, NieR Tower & Bunker queues to ruin the lives of 23 other players who wishes they get CT from roulette because apparently the 6.5 change has made them surprisingly enjoyable causality source… if I get a bad group.

The weapon themselves aren’t my typically liked aesthetic. Instantly glamouring them. They couldn’t even differentiate the VFX color which.. idk. Each job usually have a general scheme that they go for. This one last step just use the same color for all 19 weapons. Are we up to the point we’re also homogenizing VFX? Lmao.

[OliverQ]

Yeah, no. These endwalker relics just aren't it. Being a player who's played this game for almost 2 years and tried almost every relic grind, I must say the EW one has been the worst so far. Not only because of how lazy it feels but also because the final stage isn't satisfying to me at all. Firstly, where are the matte/alternative versions? ARR, SB, & SHB all had matte versions. HW had an alternative color version. What went wrong with EW? The 6.45 versions were so damn good in my opinion, and then we went onto the "Beep Boop Omega-Styled Extreme Vibed" final stage relic. I don't get what's the obsession of technological weapons as Relics. They're called 'Relics' for a reason. Grindy, Stages that aren't the same grind all the damn time and pretty unique ones. This just gives omega but at-home vibes. Honestly, I expected much more 'Fantasy' vibes, like the other damn relics. I can see why it's called a Tome Relic as a joke. They better not disappoint for DT, but yet again. This is Square Enix. Gotta listen to all the players and satisfy no one, don't we? Another thing I must question is Why aren't the damn AST cards, SCH & SMN pages, and the MCH box thing never changing. They don't fit the "Technology" vibes at all. I can understand that for a few other weapons but not these. They should've really saved these weapons for the new zone in DT, so that we can have armor that actually looks good with it. Make it make sense.

Not a fan of the final relic either - looks straight out of Solution 9. Sure if you prefer a high-tech, Allagan glam they work, but eww. As for the matte version, I'm guessing the final stage will get one since the 3rd stage has a matte option already.

[Denji]

Yeah, no. These endwalker relics just aren't it. Being a player who's played this game for almost 2 years and tried almost every relic grind, I must say the EW one has been the worst so far. Not only because of how lazy it feels but also because the final stage isn't satisfying to me at all. Firstly, where are the matte/alternative versions? ARR, SB, & SHB all had matte versions. HW had an alternative color version. What went wrong with EW? The 6.45 versions were so damn good in my opinion, and then we went onto the "Beep Boop Omega-Styled Extreme Vibed" final stage relic. I don't get what's the obsession of technological weapons as Relics. They're called 'Relics' for a reason. Grindy, Stages that aren't the same grind all the damn time and pretty unique ones. This just gives omega but at-home vibes. Honestly, I expected much more 'Fantasy' vibes, like the other damn relics. I can see why it's called a Tome Relic as a joke. They better not disappoint for DT, but yet again. This is Square Enix. Gotta listen to all the players and satisfy no one, don't we? Another thing I must question is Why aren't the damn AST cards, SCH & SMN pages, and the MCH box thing never changing. They don't fit the "Technology" vibes at all. I can understand that for a few other weapons but not these. They should've really saved these weapons for the new zone in DT, so that we can have armor that actually looks good with it. Make it make sense.

wdym we cut out the entire endgame content and basically gave you nothing to replace it with other than a boring-ass island sanctuary and weird multi-path dungeons that you have to play 500 times in a row with NPCs you don't care about. how could you not enjoy this?? look! the relics aren't at all interesting! you should love these designs, they're boring just like the rest of the end-game content.

there's a complete lack of mid-range endgame content in this expansion and it shows. there's nothing for casual players to do. normal people don't have raid nights and the designs for most of the equipment this expansion have just been... lame. idk. none of them leap out at me as something i'd like to wear unlike the shb/sb/hw ones.

[GoatOfWar]

I hard-disagree though.

I prefer this method of obtaining relics (which is actually the same as every other iteration, it just lets you choose what thing you're going to grind). And I like the look and effect on the final stage weapons.

There's tomestone weapons for that..

[Nezerius]

It is when you need to get the tomes to complete a relic for every job.

Why do you feel like you need a relic on every job?

Nothing - I like them just fine.

But if you're fine with the tomestone weapons, why do you need a second set of tomestone weapons?

[Rxvenluvsducks]

Pretty sure this was the last stage for the relic, so no matte version. Also sure, solution 9 was kept in mind but couldn't they wait for the new dawn trail zone to come out and then give us these weapons that actually can have Armor to go with it, instead of players having to use the PVP glams or stuff to match the vibe of them? I don't want to be fighting in casual gear with these kind of weapons. Oh well.

[Noox-115]

Yeah, no. These endwalker relics just aren't it. Being a player who's played this game for almost 2 years and tried almost every relic grind, I must say the EW one has been the worst so far. Not only because of how lazy it feels but also because the final stage isn't satisfying to me at all. Firstly, where are the matte/alternative versions? ARR, SB, & SHB all had matte versions. HW had an alternative color version. What went wrong with EW? The 6.45 versions were so damn good in my opinion, and then we went onto the "Beep Boop Omega-Styled Extreme Vibed" final stage relic. I don't get what's the obsession of technological weapons as Relics. They're called 'Relics' for a reason. Grindy, Stages that aren't the same grind all the damn time and pretty unique ones. This just gives omega but at-home vibes. Honestly, I expected much more 'Fantasy' vibes, like the other damn relics. I can see why it's called a Tome Relic as a joke. They better not disappoint for DT, but yet again. This is Square Enix. Gotta listen to all the players and satisfy no one, don't we? Another thing I must question is Why aren't the damn AST cards, SCH & SMN pages, and the MCH box thing never changing. They don't fit the "Technology" vibes at all. I can understand that for a few other weapons but not these. They should've really saved these weapons for the new zone in DT, so that we can have armor that actually looks good with it. Make it make sense.

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[Rolder50]

I hard-disagree though.

I prefer this method of obtaining relics (which is actually the same as every other iteration, it just lets you choose what thing you're going to grind). And I like the look and effect on the final stage weapons.

Ah yes, the grind where I already have the tomestones when the patch drops and get the weapon for free.