These Relics Aren't Relicing

[Rxvenluvsducks]

Yeah, no. These endwalker relics just aren't it. Being a player who's played this game for almost 2 years and tried almost every relic grind, I must say the EW one has been the worst so far. Not only because of how lazy it feels but also because the final stage isn't satisfying to me at all. Firstly, where are the matte/alternative versions? ARR, SB, & SHB all had matte versions. HW had an alternative color version. What went wrong with EW? The 6.45 versions were so damn good in my opinion, and then we went onto the "Beep Boop Omega-Styled Extreme Vibed" final stage relic. I don't get what's the obsession of technological weapons as Relics. They're called 'Relics' for a reason. Grindy, Stages that aren't the same grind all the damn time and pretty unique ones. This just gives omega but at-home vibes. Honestly, I expected much more 'Fantasy' vibes, like the other damn relics. I can see why it's called a Tome Relic as a joke. They better not disappoint for DT, but yet again. This is Square Enix. Gotta listen to all the players and satisfy no one, don't we? Another thing I must question is Why aren't the damn AST cards, SCH & SMN pages, and the MCH box thing never changing. They don't fit the "Technology" vibes at all. I can understand that for a few other weapons but not these. They should've really saved these weapons for the new zone in DT, so that we can have armor that actually looks good with it. Make it make sense.

[AlucaDragonheart]

Agreed, thank god Endwalker is behind us though, and hopefully Dawntrail's relics are actually FUN to get this time, like Shadowbringers relics were.

[Avoidy]

Agreed, thank god Endwalker is behind us though, and hopefully Dawntrail's relics are actually FUN to get this time, like Shadowbringers relics were.

Mr. Yoshida mentioned in some interview that he viewed the Endwalker relics as a great success because more people obtained a relic this time than in prior expansions. His logic was "more people are doing it, therefore it must be good."
Of course, we all know "more people did it" because... it was basically a free relic you obtained by just logging in and doing the bare minimum daily roulette stuff. Many people logged in already capped and bought it in the first minute.

For some people, everything I've just said is a massive positive and they have ZERO issue with it and that's fine. For other people who really wanted something to "work towards" that didn't involve progging the same wallboss for weeks with a group, it was extremely disappointing. I doubt they're going to change course though, because this sort of relic grind is easy to design, lots of people prefer it, and the engagement levels were high so it "works." I would be (pleasantly) surprised if DT saw it change at all. Someone somewhere said it best, that this game feels like it's being made easier to manage, without much care for how much actual enjoyment is obtained in the process.

On an unrelated note, I thought it was really really bad of them to anchor the relics to Hildibrand quests. I did all the prior Hildibrands before I even knew that a relic was going to be tied to them. I saved them for when I had absolutely nothing else to do, and I took my time with them as a result. I had low expectations, because most of the writing/presentation in this game's quests is not good. But to my surprise, I enjoyed it. And I think that's largely because I approached this as optional content and just did it because I felt like it. For many many people on my friends list and here, they sped through it just to get the relic and were bitching the entire time because they didn't want to do it and felt compelled to or they'd be gated from doing one of the few things on offer for this expansion. And hell, in EW, every time they added a new chapter to Hildibrand I'd find myself sort of rushing through it in the same way because my tomes were capped and I wanted to unlock the next relic step ASAP so I could spend my tomes and stop overcapping. There were times where I didn't really want to do hildibrand at all, but did it anyway so I could hurry up and unlock the next step of the relic grind. I just think it's unfortunate. I hope they make the new relics independent of Hildibrand in DT so I can just do Hildibrand at my own pace without screwing myself on the relic content.

[AnnRam]

Agreed, thank god Endwalker is behind us though, and hopefully Dawntrail's relics are actually FUN to get this time, like Shadowbringers relics were.

Wrong.

In DT the relics will be for free after completing a few quests, mark my words.

This game will continue to catter to ERPers/ casuals and people who don't want work for anything.

[Xaphire]

I hard-disagree though.

I prefer this method of obtaining relics (which is actually the same as every other iteration, it just lets you choose what thing you're going to grind). And I like the look and effect on the final stage weapons.

[Stormpeaks]

I hard-disagree though.

I prefer this method of obtaining relics (which is actually the same as every other iteration, it just lets you choose what thing you're going to grind). And I like the look and effect on the final stage weapons.

Why are you talking about grind when you get tomes up the wazoo literally thrown at you for doing nothing at all, that ain't a grind lmao

[Xaphire]

Why are you talking about grind when you get tomes up the wazoo literally thrown at you for doing nothing at all, that ain't a grind lmao

It is when you need to get the tomes to complete a relic for every job.

What's wrong with the tomestone weapons?

Nothing - I like them just fine.

[ty_taurus]

Nothing - I like them just fine.

Don't they serve the purpose of being a relic to obtain easily with tomes then? Why have two?

[Xaphire]

Don't they serve the purpose of being a relic to obtain easily with tomes then? Why have two?

Can I ask what the difference is between needing 1500 tomestones per step and needing 18 macguffins from dungeon x, y, or z?

[Nezerius]

It is when you need to get the tomes to complete a relic for every job.

Why do you feel like you need a relic on every job?

Nothing - I like them just fine.

But if you're fine with the tomestone weapons, why do you need a second set of tomestone weapons?