Pure/Barrier Split is a failure

[Aravell]

I want to also point out that a Nocturnal Sect AST and SCH comp has always worked ever since they buffed the base shield from Aspected Helios. It functioned much the same as the current SGE+SCH comps, the Noct AST casts Aspected Helios if it's needed and the SCH Deploys if there's big damage.

The only comp that has consistently never worked out is Diurnal Sect AST and WHM. In this design of mitigation being king, WHM really does feel massively lacking in the mitigation/shield department. At least AST has Neutral Sect and Collective Unconscious to fall back on.

[Absurdity]

The only comp that has consistently never worked out is Diurnal Sect AST and WHM. In this design of mitigation being king, WHM really does feel massively lacking in the mitigation/shield department. At least AST has Neutral Sect and Collective Unconscious to fall back on.

I remember it somewhat working in Alphascape (though probably not at minimum ilvl) because it didn't have the same spike damage that it does now where not mitigating an aoe just has your non-tank players drop dead instantly. I would like to check healer logs from Stormblood to confirm but unfortunately those are archived on fflogs.

[IceBlueNinja]

I want to also point out that a Nocturnal Sect AST and SCH comp has always worked ever since they buffed the base shield from Aspected Helios. It functioned much the same as the current SGE+SCH comps, the Noct AST casts Aspected Helios if it's needed and the SCH Deploys if there's big damage.

The only comp that has consistently never worked out is Diurnal Sect AST and WHM. In this design of mitigation being king, WHM really does feel massively lacking in the mitigation/shield department. At least AST has Neutral Sect and Collective Unconscious to fall back on.

Noct stance celestial opp even work with sch crit alco spread and did not overwrite spread crit alco but now am lost because noct ast was spit on ALOT by many people here (not saying your one of them) but some of those said people now want it back lol. Noct ast was powerful when use properly and tbh it was beating sch in shielding in content below lvl shadow bringers because you had aspected helios+celestial opp from lvl 60 to stack a big chunky party shield and sch do not have access to recitation unless its a shadow bringer content so you had to pray you get a crit alco normally then spread it which would be wasting mp.

[IceBlueNinja]

You could stack cosolation with the rest of the shields too. Noct astro wasn't bad but the fight design didn't need shielding/mits if the entire group was contributing to them, and we were already seeing fights not need almost any healing outside of our free tools (there were times when noct AST + SCH was meta to cheese mechanics). People preferred diurnal astro because regens were more efficient at healingm especially in PF settings.

IIRC, noct AST's oGCD toolkit was also *very strong* in dungeons because celestial intersection was almost a 1K potency heal.

It was much better than people remember it to be (or perceived it to be). A lot more people are also asking for noct AST because SE took away that playstyle and replaced it with SGE which is more similar to SCH.

Yeah I agree with you there maybe rework garbage pepsis to be like celestial noct opp that grants an instant shield without doing overwrite, but remember too sage can use holos/hami/panham and not over write sch crit alco shield either. Also yes in light party content noct ast was busted lol.