Major adjustment to housing

[Ravenblade1979]

So we all know people constantly yell for more housing. This is nothing new and the devs keep dropping the ball. Started back in stormblood with the new rules but they allowed ppl to keep extra housing. Then as of late the alt loophole that they never closed. Just a bandaid put over.

I also know they want the community feel but I got a few suggestions.

1) actually move to instanced housing. Charge a few dollars more on ppls subs and people will gladly pay it for a guaranteed house. Now this would make those mad who won multiples and the buyers/sellers but who cares. You make so much more money off this and make thousands happy.

Now, if you did this, would need a cap of 200-250 visitors for venues.

Then I would suggest modifying the fc workshop so that you can build up your private and fc plots and house sizes utilizing builds to add to said plots but don't have the items insta finish the build. Give a timer so it looks like real building is going on.

I also realize this could result in account selling. You would need very strict rules in place to combat this.

2) ungrandfather peoples extras and get rid of people's extras they got via the alt loophole. Not to mention, take away housing from people on dynamis who just made an alt there for a house. You got xbox coming and they won't have a fair shot because ppl greedy over virtual property.

3) scrap the system altogether. You failed already with it. Allowed this shortage to continue. People won't stop asking and you either will be forced to do instanced, keep people whining or scrap it.

Ask yourself this. With 10 years left in the game. Do you want to do something to make the community actually happy with you in one aspect or do you want them to continually cry while the few charge absurd amounts for a fc house

[Yuniko]

So we all know people constantly yell for more housing. This is nothing new and the devs keep dropping the ball. Started back in stormblood with the new rules but they allowed ppl to keep extra housing. Then as of late the alt loophole that they never closed. Just a bandaid put over.

I also know they want the community feel but I got a few suggestions.

1) actually move to instanced housing. Charge a few dollars more on ppls subs and people will gladly pay it for a guaranteed house. Now this would make those mad who won multiples and the buyers/sellers but who cares. You make so much more money off this and make thousands happy.

Now, if you did this, would need a cap of 200-250 visitors for venues.

Then I would suggest modifying the fc workshop so that you can build up your private and fc plots and house sizes utilizing builds to add to said plots but don't have the items insta finish the build. Give a timer so it looks like real building is going on.

I also realize this could result in account selling. You would need very strict rules in place to combat this.

2) ungrandfather peoples extras and get rid of people's extras they got via the alt loophole. Not to mention, take away housing from people on dynamis who just made an alt there for a house. You got xbox coming and they won't have a fair shot because ppl greedy over virtual property.

3) scrap the system altogether. You failed already with it. Allowed this shortage to continue. People won't stop asking and you either will be forced to do instanced, keep people whining or scrap it.

Ask yourself this. With 10 years left in the game. Do you want to do something to make the community actually happy with you in one aspect or do you want them to continually cry while the few charge absurd amounts for a fc house

I've played since 1.0 and honestly this game is a great game. But the housing system needs adjustments as you say. *hugs* hang in there hun <3

[Kaiproberts]

So we all know people constantly yell for more housing. This is nothing new and the devs keep dropping the ball. Started back in stormblood with the new rules but they allowed ppl to keep extra housing. Then as of late the alt loophole that they never closed. Just a bandaid put over.

I also know they want the community feel but I got a few suggestions.

1) actually move to instanced housing. Charge a few dollars more on ppls subs and people will gladly pay it for a guaranteed house. Now this would make those mad who won multiples and the buyers/sellers but who cares. You make so much more money off this and make thousands happy.

Now, if you did this, would need a cap of 200-250 visitors for venues.

Then I would suggest modifying the fc workshop so that you can build up your private and fc plots and house sizes utilizing builds to add to said plots but don't have the items insta finish the build. Give a timer so it looks like real building is going on.

I also realize this could result in account selling. You would need very strict rules in place to combat this.

2) ungrandfather peoples extras and get rid of people's extras they got via the alt loophole. Not to mention, take away housing from people on dynamis who just made an alt there for a house. You got xbox coming and they won't have a fair shot because ppl greedy over virtual property.

3) scrap the system altogether. You failed already with it. Allowed this shortage to continue. People won't stop asking and you either will be forced to do instanced, keep people whining or scrap it.

Ask yourself this. With 10 years left in the game. Do you want to do something to make the community actually happy with you in one aspect or do you want them to continually cry while the few charge absurd amounts for a fc house

You are seriously underestimating the stubbornness of Japanese culture. If the community says SE did something wrong or something needs to change SE will just double down and claim they are right or give an excuse as to why they can't do it; They don't care about housing, especially outside of JP servers.

[AlexiaD]

What an original thread

[Jojoya]

So we all know people constantly yell for more housing. This is nothing new and the devs keep dropping the ball. Started back in stormblood with the new rules but they allowed ppl to keep extra housing. Then as of late the alt loophole that they never closed. Just a bandaid put over.

I also know they want the community feel but I got a few suggestions.

1) actually move to instanced housing. Charge a few dollars more on ppls subs and people will gladly pay it for a guaranteed house. Now this would make those mad who won multiples and the buyers/sellers but who cares. You make so much more money off this and make thousands happy.

Now, if you did this, would need a cap of 200-250 visitors for venues.

Then I would suggest modifying the fc workshop so that you can build up your private and fc plots and house sizes utilizing builds to add to said plots but don't have the items insta finish the build. Give a timer so it looks like real building is going on.

I also realize this could result in account selling. You would need very strict rules in place to combat this.

2) ungrandfather peoples extras and get rid of people's extras they got via the alt loophole. Not to mention, take away housing from people on dynamis who just made an alt there for a house. You got xbox coming and they won't have a fair shot because ppl greedy over virtual property.

3) scrap the system altogether. You failed already with it. Allowed this shortage to continue. People won't stop asking and you either will be forced to do instanced, keep people whining or scrap it.

Ask yourself this. With 10 years left in the game. Do you want to do something to make the community actually happy with you in one aspect or do you want them to continually cry while the few charge absurd amounts for a fc house

1 - No secret I agree with adding a better instanced housing system. But I feel that there's no need to remove the existing wards for those who prefer them. I also don't think that the subscription would need to be increased to support instanced housing. Every character should be able to get one house as part of the subscription. If SE feels the need to increase revenue, make it a fee to own additional houses on each character.

Venues already have a cap due to instancing restrictions. Likely there would still be some sort of non-instanced area like the wards that venues would end up using for their overflow.

Not certain what you mean by your workshop suggestion. There is no insta-build as you put it. Workshop potential is throttled by the need to rank up the airships/submersibles and discover new sectors. Just hitting 50 to be able to switch to an all-modified configuration isn't enough. You have to continue to rank up to gain the bonuses that allow the real profits.

Account selling is already against the ToS.

2 - Seriously, no. We've been down that discussion path. What we need is a system that allows everyone to have multiple houses, not one that takes away those that some players put additional effort into obtaining.

You don't play on Dynamis if you think any new players coming from Xbox are going to have a hard time buying a house once the beta test is over and official release starts. Dynamis doesn't have mixed wards like most other worlds have. Seraph is a bit tight on available housing but the other 3 worlds have plenty.

3 - certainly seems like SE is more than happy to stick with the current system and not change anything. Personally, I wouldn't encourage that.

Your final comment seems to be addressed to SE. Personally I would pose a different one to them: wouldn't you rather implement a housing system that satisfies all your players and supports the game's reputation as one of the best if not the best MMORPG on the market instead of continuing to fail the players by sticking to the current mess of a housing system? Adding QOL for existing house owners might be nice but it does nothing to help those still unable to get the house of their dreams.

You are seriously underestimating the stubbornness of Japanese culture. If the community says SE did something wrong or something needs to change SE will just double down and claim they are right or give an excuse as to why they can't do it; They don't care about housing, especially outside of JP servers.

I half agree with you. I believe they do care about housing or we wouldn't have seen much of what they've added to it over the years. But it does seem to be only the situation on the JP servers that they care about. They've definitely left the impression that only problems the JP players complain about exist and that everything is perfectly fine on the non-JP worlds as far as they're concerned (with the Party Finder/data center issue a perfect example of that).

[Impia]

1) I'd really rather not. Ward housing is truly unique and there's really no way to replicate the real neighborhood experience that wards provide. I want a more equitable solution to housing too, but I want to preserve wards as we do so. Let's not act like this is a black and white issue. The first thing we should do is evaluate if there's a way to revamp small plots to be more desirable. I'm hoping Housing Mirage can do this, but I would also love it if plot exteriors could possibly be redesigned to accommodate any size.

2) As much as I would personally love to see this happen, there are some serious ethical issues involved with just dumpstering people's houses. How do we determine which house they get to keep? Highest value plot? Plot owned by the highest total playtime service account? An email stating that all of their plots are going on expedited demolition and only the first plot they enter? Focus on closing the loophole first and making housing accessible moving forward, taking away owned houses will only cause bad blood.

3) Housing, once you finally manage to get through all the red tape, is a deep, social, rewarding game mode with as much content as you have creativity. It's worth preserving. Even if nothing changes, scrapping the system out of sheer spite would be a tremendous loss to everyone involved.

[MAJRIS]

Major adjustment to housing:

Add the option to unlock (for the equivalent price of the size of S/M/L house) the same size and capacity of S/M/L houses, and being able to swap between the interior layouts freely after unlocked. (under conditions there are no items placed or stored inside).


if we could turn and S into M or L from inside, that could be amazing.

[Reinha]

1) Charge a few dollars more on ppls subs and people will gladly pay it

2) take away housing from people on dynamis

3) scrap the system altogether

This has to be a troll post, right? I can't tell anymore.

If not a troll post, SE should just delete the characters of anyone who wants to remove housing from the game or from other players. It would give them something else to worry about and also stop them from posting further stupid suggestions on the forum. There would be less whining and the game would be better for it.

[Ayan_Calvesse]

Honestly?

I think a lot of these problems go away if...

1. Move Workshops to the Grand Company; relocating all your exsisting vehicles to said workshop as a 1 time deal. In the future you can have as many as you want but the cost for additional "slots" is exponential; either that or simply kill sub farming.

2. Allow ALL buildings to have additional chambers..many as you want again with a exponential gil cost attached.

This will help remove some gil from the overinflated markets and frankly give folks something to spend gil on.

3. Double all housing item limits - Small 400 - Med 600 - Large 800. This will make a lot of sense especially if you've ever tried doing anything elaborate with a large that didn't involve giving up a few rooms; generally because the break it down stuff uses sometimes like 20 items for a doorway. A lot of "larges" are just a really fancy bungalow like build due to the item limits allowing designers the needed creative leeway. This will increase the desirability of Smalls.

4. Provide more then 1 layout option. Currently all houses are inside a CUBE but why not a rectangle? Or hell a cylinder! Rather then a small having stairs to a basement...why not a attic? Or perhaps a 2nd room though a hall from the first? Again have a architect permit cost of a 100k or something?

5. Limit accounts to 1 FC master 1 Personal per world; if you are in excess you got 45 days to find a master for any house you do not flag as "yours" - this largely depends on the aforementioned Workshop change above. Yes it means some folks are going to lose houses.

[Burmecia]

This has to be a troll post, right? I can't tell anymore.

I thought of post like yours, but had already made it perfectly, bravo (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧

I sympathise with OP, though demonstrated aggressivity of the whole post... makes it kinda hard.

Don't give up RB1979. Getting plot I mean. Now hoping others to lose their houses is different matter, give up on that.