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  1. #161
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    There's something oddly addicting about watching people bait eachother into arguing about trans people.

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    Last edited by Thighland; 01-20-2024 at 07:54 AM.

  2. #162
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    It takes a lot more than what we've seen so far to make it to the top. Minfilia is still the clear number one in terms of nuisance.
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  3. #163
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    Very glad to oppose this voice actor.
    You're glad to oppose someone because on a day of trans visibility, they pointed out that a studio chose to employ someone who is not trans to play a trans role.

    Clearly you will never understand how stupid you sound.

    Also your opinion means nothing because SE isn't going to listen to you. Don't worry, whatever fringe group you're desperate to be a part of is preparing your gold star with your name on it and it will be sent express mail for your convenience.
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  4. #164
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    You're glad to oppose someone because on a day of trans visibility, they pointed out that a studio chose to employ someone who is not trans to play a trans role.

    Clearly you will never understand how stupid you sound.
    But then she accepted a role of a character that is not trans. Look I'm not for firing over the lack of morals and being a hypocrite on top of it, but it is a valid point.

    That said, I am in favor of firing someone over being unprofessional and bad at their job.
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  5. #165
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    But then she accepted a role of a character that is not trans. Look I'm not for firing over the lack of morals and being a hypocrite on top of it, but it is a valid point.

    That said, I am in favor of firing someone over being unprofessional and bad at their job.
    It isn't valid. It's a visibility day for a minority group. It's a role for a minority group. I hope this helps.

    Also https://twitter.com/senabryer/status...h7i6oG4ag&s=19

    Not really unprofessional or particularly mean spirited either.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 01-20-2024 at 08:31 AM.

  6. #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    It is okay to have beliefs. ✝¯\_(ツ)_/¯☦


    Actually, it's been quite tame in terms of official content, with a minor incursion with Ryne and Gaia that didn't get pushed further. Everything else is purely player driven.


    I really don't care what that community thinks about me. However, I would encourage you to not break any rules.
    It's ok to have "beliefs" but these sorts of beliefs in a nature are usually ways to hide open discrimination, you can believe things without discrimination and I'm sorry but I think in a social setting certain beliefs (idk like being against very basic rights) should generally not be tolerated, If someone wants to call out those "beliefs" for being harmful they should. You might find it ok, but a lot of people are suffering because of those beliefs.

    apart of the story is about accepting different people for their differences and that's not a weakness, yeah a lot of stuff isn't Official or baked in the story, but the community surrounding ff14 is accepting when it comes to those sorts of rights which is a strength of the MMO (community), I think that's what the previous poster was also referring to that the community is pretty accepting.
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  7. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    It isn't valid. It's a visibility day for a minority group. It's a role for a minority group. I hope this helps.
    You don't have to agree with it, in order for it to be valid. Validity is not based upon feelings.

    I even said that I don't agree with the idea of it being a reason to fire the VA, but the lack of professionalism (making a post too early about their job) and the poor voice acting is.

    By the way, the hypocritical post is targeting and immoral. Sena is not calling for people being let go over poor performance but over identity.
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    Last edited by Zsolen; 01-20-2024 at 08:36 AM.

  8. #168
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    You don't have to agree with it, in order for it to be valid. Validity is not based upon feelings.

    I even said that I don't agree with the idea of it being a reason to fire the VA, but the lack of professionalism (making a post too early about their job) and the poor voice acting is.
    It's not my opinion, it just isn't equivalent. Men and women are not minority groups. Black men are, trans women are, etc. So representation for them in all kinds of acting is important. SE also does this all the time...in XIV and other titles. The infamous Forspoken, Barrett in VIIR, Sazh in XIII. It just makes sense. Why would you cast a minority group any other way as long as it's within your power?
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 01-20-2024 at 08:45 AM.

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    I haven't heard the performance to have an opinion on its quality, but I'll note that whenever you hear what you think is poor voice acting in a finished product and it's not a celebrity guest, the first person you should want to fire is rarely the actor - it's the VO director. A novice VA is not signing off on their own work, so if it comes out bad, who's handing it in and saying it's good enough for the finished product? Considering that this game has had multiple poorly directed and phoned-in EN performances for years, I know who I'm looking at...
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  10. #170
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mithron View Post
    It is okay to have beliefs.
    Your beliefs hurt others. Beliefs that hurt others are not okay to have. I would've thought this would be known by everyone after WW2, but then again, that would be overestimating the mental prowess of your average 'phobe.
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