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  1. #111
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    Valkyrie_Lenneth's Avatar
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    She does mention the signature looks like her father's. So definitely not written and sealed by him but possibly something he knew about. Also possibly something sent without his knowledge by someone who would have access to his signature.

    I think it was more that the signature was definitely her fathers, not it looked like her fathers. So she believed he may have dictated it. She ruled out it being a forgery because of the signature.
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  2. #112
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alaray View Post
    Even, simply, saying that one felt a line delivered too deadpan, or emotionally inconsistent, and then providing the example and why, is something anyone here can do, but choose not to for the most part.
    Firstly, thank you for a nicely thought out response, even if I had to cut out a lot of it to fit in a response. This is the kind of thing I was hoping to see here so I really appreciate it.

    There are actually a few people talking about this but they're completely buried in mountains of hatred right now. A number of people have noticed how strange a few characters sounded in the new patch, even performances from VAs that are highly regarded here such as G'raha and Krile. Personally I think this is valid criticism, especially those who are bringing up other factors such as direction and issues with VAs working remotely. I would like to see these points brought up more often because I think that's a far more balanced discussion as opposed to pinning the entirety of the blame on a single VA.

    I understand this subject is maybe ultimately subjective in the end as you personally seemed to hear nothing wrong, but I still see value in people talking about these things as long as they are civil about it, which unfortunately is not really happening in the majority of these threads, which is why I'm so disappointed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alaray View Post
    To be honest, if I was the performer, I'd throw the majority of the forum opinions in the bin as it's just a lot of useless yelling that's ultimately not productive, nor worth, anyone's time to sift through.
    I agree completely. It's not her fault and I feel awful that she's getting so much hate. But I do hope that the team that was directing her is at least taking note, because I feel like they are to blame for a lot of this if they are able to make even long-time characters sound (to me) tired and lifeless. That, at least for me, is why I came to the forums - because I assume there is some chance that criticism may be relayed to the development team. Though I realize how unlikely that is. The last time I was here was to complain about Astrologian changes and clearly nothing happened. So I assume nothing will happen here, either. But I personally just couldn't shake the fact that something was off throughout this entire patch and I was thankful to see a few genuine people saying something similar, even if they are in the minority.

    Anyways, at this point I just feel bad for adding onto the subject. I had my own reasons for not liking the English vocals for this patch, but I do not want to be correlated to those who are just spewing hatred. Any adult conversation that could have been had surrounding this subject is just gone thanks to people like that, so I'll probably be heading off the forum soon for another years long hiatus lol.
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  3. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boblawblah View Post
    Yikes, no, there was never a hope for meaningful conversation about this topic. Look at the title of the thread! How could you ever think we were going to have a nice conversation based on that? Look at the tags! Someone actually is risking an account just to belittle a trans person. This conversation was over before it began.

    I get the idealistic notion of wanting to discuss topics like this, but this is not the forum for such discussions.
    And it did unfortunately take this long for my idealistic, clueless self to notice this. I saw how vile things were and still thought I could try and give my honest thoughts. I "fell for the bait" or whatever by wanting to have an adult conversation about an issue I had in a game I've loved for years.

    I haven't been on this forum in years and I am very disappointed by it, but I am trying not to bring my opinion on the community as a whole down. I met some very lovely people at Fanfest and I want to see them as more emblematic of the community as opposed to a lot of the people I've seen in these threads.

    I agree the title for this thread is ridiculous. Saying that a character that has been in the game for less than a full patch is now the worst character ever is insane. As a character, Wuk Lamat isn't even that bad. She's just ARR Yda, basically. I have reinstated my personal criticism many times at this point but I actually enjoy the character herself so far. I still have hope for the game and even its community - I imagine these threads will die down in time. It's just a shame they were so hateful.
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  4. #114
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by decoratibo View Post
    I agree the title for this thread is ridiculous. Saying that a character that has been in the game for less than a full patch is now the worst character ever is insane. As a character, Wuk Lamat isn't even that bad. She's just ARR Yda, basically. I have reinstated my personal criticism many times at this point but I actually enjoy the character herself so far. I still have hope for the game and even its community - I imagine these threads will die down in time. It's just a shame they were so hateful.
    a short time ago the same people were complaining that Zero was the worst character in the game. I mean, its all opinion and really, little else.

    some posters thrive on hate and drama, it what gets them up in the morning I suppose. sad truth is, humans be like that.
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  5. #115
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    Hey. Check the thread tag. If you're aware of what's being implied there, please do something about it.
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  6. #116
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    I think it was more that the signature was definitely her fathers, not it looked like her fathers. So she believed he may have dictated it. She ruled out it being a forgery because of the signature.
    Wuk explains they have their own language so it was dictated, presumably to a translator, and then signed. That's what happened per the dialogue. If it wasn't translated, Krile (or, in the past her grandfather) wouldn't be able to read it. The idea it's a trap for Krile or WoL makes no sense. Even if it was a trap, the trap would now be outdated. If it's a fake letter, it serves no purpose. I'm 99% certain the point of this scene is to get you thinking about who was involved with the letter.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 01-19-2024 at 01:00 PM.

  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhemmer View Post
    Hey. Check the thread tag. If you're aware of what's being implied there, please do something about it.
    Just gonna drop this here:
    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post2959750
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  8. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    It's so weird seeing them talk like humans
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  9. #119
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    How do you view tags?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Embran View Post
    How do you view tags?
    They're at the bottom of the thread, or if you're on the general forum, the blue ticket thing. If you hover over them in the threads, though, you can see who posted it.
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