Wuk Lamat is the worst and most annoying character ever in this game

[Mithron]

You keep pulling weird obscure shit from your past every time someone points out the flaws in your logic like "my neighbor was X race, I can comment about racial issues that don't apply to me all I want" lol

I'm glad you dated a Korean woman and I have no doubt that makes you the arbiter of Korean culture and representation in your mind, Mr. Kentucky.

Saying a latina woman represents Kentucky well is like saying a White Kentuckian who moved to Japan and speaks Japanese represents Japan well. It makes no sense and its quite insulting. So no, there is no flaw in my logic, I regret dating the Koean woman, though at no fault of hers. There are flaws in your logic, however, and much else besides.

Crticisim is good. Without it, we would not have gotten 2.0. Without it, we'd still be stuck with the ARR voice cast.

The problem with these threads is that it's not genuine criticism in good faith. It's mean-spirited vitriol hiding behind the guise of criticism, with layers of "justifications" to mask it even further.

I liked the 2.0 cast. Cid in particular was one of my favorite VAs: he did the WoL in Dissidia. This is genuine criticism, and whatever you're defining as "good faith" is wrong. I have every right to criticize both the subject and the direction of a game that I love(d) and want to see it return to a state of improvement, not decline.

[Embran]

Instead, criticism - at least, online - has devolved to people who think they know a lot about something, but know nothing about it and are unable to accurately articulate their issue in a manner where other people can take a look at the issue. It's a lot of pots and pans banging together to make a lot of noise, a lot of undeserved arrogance and snark, which is utterly useless to anyone - even someone genuinely looking for criticism. To be honest, if I was the performer, I'd throw the majority of the forum opinions in the bin as it's just a lot of useless yelling that's ultimately not productive, nor worth, anyone's time to sift through.

And, if I was a VA, I'd look to other VA's for actual feedback. Not someone typing like they don't know how to handle a human interaction in the real world.

Thank you.

Yes, this exactly. So many complaints in these threads of people being like "I @'d her on Twitter to criticize her and she blocked me, she's so full of herself, ugh!" and it baffles me that people can't see the fault in their own actions in this.

She is a professional voice actor with actual representation from a professional agency who handles these things. She has a coach. She has a director. She has guidance. She has the people who are there to criticize her already.

Just because you CAN tag a total stranger unprovoked on Twitter and try to give professional advice on how to do their job, as an unprofessional, doesn't mean you should. In fact, you shouldn't. It's so absurd this even needs to be said. It's annoying, it's cringe, it's immature, and it just tells me you don't know how to interact with other adults in the real world. I can only assume these people don't have actual careers of their own, because they have no grasp of the concept of professional courtesy.

You are not a professional voice actor. Stop offering "advice." And even if you were, you are not this person's acquaintance. You have no right to approach them and tell them what to do. And they have every right to block you for whatever reason they want.

This goes for any person in any career field.

[Embran]

Saying a latina woman represents Kentucky well is like saying a White Kentuckian who moved to Japan and speaks Japanese represents Japan well. It makes no sense and its quite insulting. So no, there is no flaw in my logic, I regret dating the Koean woman, though at no fault of hers. There are flaws in your logic, however, and much else besides.

Dude, which is it? Is she Latina? Because when people say she's Latina, you say she's from Kentucky.

Or is she Kentuckian? Because when people say she's from Kentucky, she's suddenly Latina.

You're not even trying, man. I'm done humoring you.

[decoratibo]

The problem with these threads is that it's not genuine criticism in good faith. It's mean-spirited vitriol hiding behind the guise of criticism, with layers of "justifications" to mask it even further.

I agree. A lot of these threads are quite bad, as are a number of the posts in them (and the tags omg), and it's quite clear when somebody is making a comment out of hatred and not out of genuine desire to see an improvement.

All that me and a few others around here are asking for is an improvement to the voice direction. We don't want to see Sena fired, we don't think we deserves any of the hatred she's getting, we just felt as though something was off *as a whole* and we wanted to state how we felt about it. But we're being dragged down with that torrent of unfounded, hateful, and pointless vitriol you've pointed out and it just sucks. I honestly thought there would be a more balanced discussion but I guess that goes to show how little I use the forums here.

Sorry if that came across as a justification, I do legitimately agree with you. I'm not really trying to justify anybody's actions here. I'm just exhausted lol.

[Boblawblah]

There could be an actual, meaningful conversation happening here and it's disappointing to see that's not the case.

- "She's too American"
- "She's not really a woman!"
- "Her South American English accent is bad"
- "She's annoying"
- "She blocks complaints on her twitter"
- "Her entire character and what she represents is bad" (???)
- "She looks like AI art"

Yikes, no, there was never a hope for meaningful conversation about this topic. Look at the title of the thread! How could you ever think we were going to have a nice conversation based on that? Look at the tags! Someone actually is risking an account just to belittle a trans person. This conversation was over before it began.

I get the idealistic notion of wanting to discuss topics like this, but this is not the forum for such discussions.

[Fawkes]

Without it, we'd still be stuck with the ARR voice cast.

I don't know if that's true, when they changed voice actors there wasn't any reason given, and the general assumption was that it was either a union thing or that SE wanted to move their voice acting to Europe. I don't think anyone thought it was because SE listened to criticism.

[Raikaiko]

Dude, which is it? Is she Latina? Because when people say she's Latina, you say she's from Kentucky.

Or is she Kentuckian? Because when people say she's from Kentucky, she's suddenly Latina.

You're not even trying, man. I'm done humoring you.

Also just like the gross implication she can't be both, and like if we're going to put lines around who can and can't be considered a "Real Kentuckian" I think the Eastern Band Cherokee, Shawnee, Osage, and other tribes that called parts of the state home first should get first dibs and to draw the lines

[Embran]

Also just like the gross implication she can't be both, and like if we're going to put lines around who can and can't be considered a "Real Kentuckian" I think the Eastern Band Cherokee, Shawnee, Osage, and other tribes that called parts of the state home first should get first dibs and to draw the lines

Right. She's too Latina to be from Kentucky, but she's also not Latina enough to be Puerto Rican. There's a gross obsession with "purity" here.

Just absurd.

[TaleraRistain]

An interesting bit here, is when Wuk examines Krile's letter and she straight up says it looks forged as hell. The language is different, and the seal is the kind they wouldn't even use in her country. She only acknowledges that it might have been a dictated letter when she notices how put out Krile seems at the prospect of her letter being inauthentic. So to me, a letter that looks more like a fake (or even a trap) than an actual invitation, isn't a good reason either.

She does mention the signature looks like her father's. So definitely not written and sealed by him but possibly something he knew about. Also possibly something sent without his knowledge by someone who would have access to his signature.

[Embran]

She does mention the signature looks like her father's. So definitely not written and sealed by him but possibly something he knew about. Also possibly something sent without his knowledge by someone who would have access to his signature.

The villain definitely did the "can you sign for my class field trip" trick where he put the permission slip over his report card to make his parent sign it to get the signature lol. Master plan.