Wuk Lamat is the worst and most annoying character ever in this game

[decoratibo]

I'm also from Kentucky, and I have issues with Wuk Lamat's voice due to my own personal issues as I've lined out in another thread.

Our state isn't a monolith. We're small, but what one person experiences in Louisville isn't going to be a blanket experience for everybody else in the state. Where I'm from, there's a huge Latino presence, and a surprising amount of a lot of other cultures. I hear an insane amount of different accents living here, more than I've heard in other states to be honest.

The point I think others are trying to make is that trying to pin down Sena's awkward accent on "she's from Kentucky" is ridiculous. The accent is, in my opinion, the fault of the voice director trying to push the VA too far or just giving bad direction in general.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

This is a poor analogy because you don't speak Japanese.

For this analogy to work, Wuk Lamat would have to be speaking Spanish.

Besides, this already happened. Gosetsu's VA is an English man who put on a vaguely-Japanese accent, but nobody grabbed their pitchforks over that.

I wonder why... <3

Hien too. His accent is a bit weird, especially the way he pronounces some of the names. it's always taken me out of it when he pronounces Yugiri's name. Like, he puts too much emphasis on the Yuu part, dragging it too long. It doesn't sound natural. No rage threads tho.

[Embran]

Hien too. His accent is a bit weird, especially the way he pronounces some of the names. it's always taken me out of it when he pronounces Yugiri's name. Like, he puts too much emphasis on the Yuu part, dragging it too long. It doesn't sound natural. No rage threads tho.

Hien's VA is Japanese, but raised in the UK, which really just reduces this "argument" even further, since it mirror's Wuk Lamat's VA's position exactly. Latina, raised in the US.

[Alaray]

I enjoy her, her personality and liked the VA performance well enough as it falls perfectly in-line with the standard XIV has.

But, at the same time, criticism that's written like some kid throwing a tantrum isn't particularly fruitful and informs me far more about where the critiques are coming from, which is nowhere worthwhile.

[Embran]

I enjoy her, her personality and liked the VA performance well enough as it falls perfectly in-line with the standard XIV has.

But, at the same time, criticism that's written like some kid throwing a tantrum isn't particularly fruitful and informs me far more about where the critiques are coming from, which is nowhere worthwhile.

You've nailed the issue here exactly.

A lot of the "criticism" is "THE GAME IS DEAD, THIS IS THE WORST CHARACTER EVER, THE VA SHOULD BE ASHAMED, YOSHI P HAS FORSAKEN US" and it's just absurd to feel THIS strongly about a character who is in a handful of cutscenes and that we've known for an hour AT MOST.

AT WORST, people who are upset with Wuk Lamat's performance should be skeptical.

Any emotion beyond that isn't only absurd, it's unhealthy and it speaks towards a problematic obsession with the game.

Fair shout to those who are criticizing like adults that are capable of rational thought. They don't seem to be on this forum, though.

[Mithron]

This is a poor analogy because you don't speak Japanese.

For this analogy to work, Wuk Lamat would have to be speaking Spanish.

Besides, this already happened. Gosetsu's VA is an English man who put on a vaguely-Japanese accent, but nobody grabbed their pitchforks over that.

I wonder why... <3

My dude, I dated a Korean for 7 years who spoke four languages, including Japanese. Who are you to say I don't speak Japanese? And that's not even the point. The point is that there unjust and immoral double standards being applied here. And even further to the point, it's not even just her VA is bad, it's her entire character, who and what she represents. Her personality, how out of place she looks (not even culturewise just graphically wise), her face doesn't look anything like any other race in FFXIV, much less male Hrothgars. She looks very similar to all that creepy AI art, completely out of place with the rest of the game.

Gosetsu's VA did a great job. Wuk Lamat did not. Why is that hard to understand? Why is it even contentious or controversial to have that opinion?

[Embran]

My dude, I dated a Korean for 7 years who spoke four languages, including Japanese. Who are you to say I don't speak Japanese? And that's not even the point. The point is that there unjust and immoral double standards being applied here. And even further to the point, it's not even just her VA is bad, it's her entire character, who and what she represents. Her personality, how out of place she looks (not even culturewise just graphically wise), her face doesn't look anything like any other race in FFXIV, much less male Hrothgars. She looks very similar to all that creepy AI art, completely out of place with the rest of the game.

Gosetsu's VA did a great job. Wuk Lamat did not. Why is that hard to understand? Why is it even contentious or controversial to have that opinion?

You keep pulling weird obscure shit from your past every time someone points out the flaws in your logic like "my neighbor was X race, I can comment about racial issues that don't apply to me all I want" lol

I'm glad you dated a Korean woman and I have no doubt that makes you the arbiter of Korean culture and representation in your mind, Mr. Kentucky.

[decoratibo]

Fair shout to those who are criticizing like adults that are capable of rational thought. They don't seem to be on this forum, though.

I believe some people have raised decent complaints, personally. There are some people who are noting the overall lower quality of the voice acting in the entire patch which I think is valid and should be pointed out so that we can hopefully see some improvement in the new expansion. But comments like this are definitely in the minority and are very quickly drowned out by extremely hateful and misplaced comments which is a shame.

I don't think anybody should be above criticism. It's a good thing and it helps us grow as people, especially people in creative fields. But it is really hard to make said criticism here when the post directly beneath you is some of the most vile nonsense you've ever heard lol. There could be an actual, meaningful conversation happening here and it's disappointing to see that's not the case.

[Embran]

I believe some people have raised decent complaints, personally. There are some people who are noting the overall lower quality of the voice acting in the entire patch which I think is valid and should be pointed out so that we can hopefully see some improvement in the new expansion. But comments like this are definitely in the minority and are very quickly drowned out by extremely hateful and misplaced comments which is a shame.

I don't think anybody should be above criticism. It's a good thing and it helps us grow as people, especially people in creative fields. But it is really hard to make said criticism here when the post directly beneath you is some of the most vile nonsense you've ever heard lol. There could be an actual, meaningful conversation happening here and it's disappointing to see that's not the case.

Crticisim is good. Without it, we would not have gotten 2.0. Without it, we'd still be stuck with the ARR voice cast.

The problem with these threads is that it's not genuine criticism in good faith. It's mean-spirited vitriol hiding behind the guise of criticism, with layers of "justifications" to mask it even further.

[Alaray]

I don't think anybody should be above criticism. It's a good thing and it helps us grow as people, especially people in creative fields. But it is really hard to make said criticism here when the post directly beneath you is some of the most vile nonsense you've ever heard lol. There could be an actual, meaningful conversation happening here and it's disappointing to see that's not the case.

I'll add this, to the idea of criticism:

To be completely frank, I noticed absolutely no difference in quality. But, I don't really have an example people would point to when comparing and contrasting the different audio quality? But, even then, that'd be more of a criticism with regards to their equipment. Same with people who dislike the character's personality, or things the character says, as those are from the writing team. When it comes to pacing, when it comes to the way things are enunciated, there's a large factor of the voice director's contribution and direction to, also, consider.

There's the basic criticisms I can understand, but could be applied to every performance in the game (e.g: "Says a word weird to me" - which, to be fair, isn't a valid criticism - there's no substance there. Where did it come up? What was off about it? What separates it so much by comparison to other performances? etc... etc...). And I can understand, even, a "sounds off" kind of statement, but again, it's not really valid criticism - there's, again, just a basic thing that is easily refuted with someone simply disagreeing with the statement. There's nothing concrete to hold onto, or to look at, no means of actual pathway to an improvement over what may just come down to a personal taste that, ultimately, doesn't have much bearing when speaking about an objective quality.

So, I do agree that no one is "above" criticism. I just think a lot of people on this forum are terrible at understanding what criticism actually is, and there is a layer where I don't think anyone really understands the mechanics of VA performance, which if we're actually talking about criticism, is generally important to know something about when homing directly in on the individual's performance. Even, simply, saying that one felt a line delivered too deadpan, or emotionally inconsistent, and then providing the example and why, is something anyone here can do, but choose not to for the most part.

Instead, criticism - at least, online - has devolved to people who think they know a lot about something, but know nothing about it and are unable to accurately articulate their issue in a manner where other people can take a look at the issue. It's a lot of pots and pans banging together to make a lot of noise, a lot of undeserved arrogance and snark, which is utterly useless to anyone - even someone genuinely looking for criticism. To be honest, if I was the performer, I'd throw the majority of the forum opinions in the bin as it's just a lot of useless yelling that's ultimately not productive, nor worth, anyone's time to sift through.

And, if I was a VA, I'd look to other VA's for actual feedback. Not someone typing like they don't know how to handle a human interaction in the real world.

But that's my two cents, fully, mostly about the nature of criticism as more of pseudo-intellectual mud-wrestling with who can insult whoever the most, or who can virtue signal the hardest, where there's really no care about the subject at hand on any real level.