Ninja

[RinaB]

When I started this game back in the fall of 2018 I rushed to rogue which led to ninja...SB was the latest xpsc and I went through everything as a ninja....I'm a fighting game player so the input spells aren't a problem to memorize...what is a problem is why ninja has to do 3 times the work to do less dps then most other dps jobs. Noone plays ninja for a reason and I feel viper is a way for the devs to continue to ignore ninja. It's sad really...I haven't mained it si ce 2018 and there's just no reason for me to go back...oh wow trick attack....so sad

[Kalaam]

Because Mug. It's one of the strongest damage buffs for the whole party, that's litteraly the only reason why Ninja does less damage, because they can buff everyone else's.

[Keichi]

In my experience, isnt it so bad, that there arent that many ninja.
That reduce the chance, to meet a second ninja, who overwrite your own mug in the battle.

Similary to the dragoon, would it be good to have multiple ones, to extend the time of the buff.
But in the practice, are the buffs in most cases simply overwritten. Because the Player use the skills in the same time (hope, that this is one point of the dragoon rework).

Aside of that, are the mudras something differently and a nice idea. The 3 mudras in the right place make it simple to use them (i have mostly only than problems, when im not into the ninja, or, when the system didnt recognized the buttons right). And, i have problems with all around the chidori.

The ninja is nice. But, could maybe need a rework to (most changes in EW was nice). And whe have to see more from the Viper. Reaper was very common at the start of EW. But became a little more rare over the time.

[ZiraZ]

Numbers say ninja is 3rd most played melee in savage, their personal dps is tied to DRG and everyone loves Mug, try again

[Lyth]

NIN has a historical reputation of being a difficult job to play on account of APM inflation and ping sensitivity. In practice, it a lot of the ping sensitivity that the job used to have has been eroded by revisions to the Mudra system since Heavensward, and once you get past that issue, it has the softest positional requirements of any melee job bar none. It also offers an incredible amount of flexibility in terms of movement. I would only put it marginally below SAM and (pre-7.x rework) DRG in terms of the most beginner friendly melee jobs.

My hope for VPR is that it doesn't sacrifice positionals in the name of claiming a higher APM.

[Turtledeluxe]

Numbers say ninja is 3rd most played melee in savage, their personal dps is tied to DRG and everyone loves Mug, try again

I think the idea that hard work should reward you with high DPS makes sense, but this game balances jobs with consideration to personal and party dps. It's going to be the same with Pictomancer and casters most likely-- it isn't going to DPS like BLM or Res like the other two so it will be some kind of happy medium of dps/support. I've already seen people saying Picto is DOA because of this but most people in this game do not seem to play roles based on how optimal they are at any one metric. As long as jobs feel good to play and content is clearable, most jobs are going to be played most of the time. And that's the best result the team can hope for.

[mallleable]

Not a NIN main, but I feel like NIN could be doing more nijna things outside of trick, and mug windows.

[RyuuZero]

Not a NIN main, but I feel like NIN could be doing more nijna things outside of trick, and mug windows.

like Smoke Screen and such? Good Times xD
but I just dislike the Mug/Trick Attack Change.. 6.05/6.08 NIN was the peak